Is Karma really underpowered?

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Gurgifriends

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09-02-2012

Or do people just say that because no one plays her?


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TeknoWizard

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09-02-2012

She's amazing, and yes. Everyone says it because they don't play her/play her wrong. That said, she could use a few adjustments. She has an amazing and unique heal based on missing health, a strong slow or speed boost on potentially your whole team, and the strongest shield in the game. Not even mentioning the damage she does. However, the limit at two Mantra charges cuts down on her effectiveness. And she really does need to be a mid laner, not a 0-CS support, to have her real potential come out.


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Razzola

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09-02-2012

derp


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Anna Sachae

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09-02-2012

Karma is amazing at pulling out clutch saves, her sustain is amazing, and there is no time at which she's not contributing something to the team. The issue is that her mana hunger and sheer damage focus make her into a more effective mid/top than a true support, which takes her out of the current metagame. It's not her lack of ability that makes her rarely used (and thus seen as "underpowered") but the fact that she has no real position on a team. Lux has the same problem - there are more viable mids, and she's a combat support, not zero-CS.

But no, she's great.


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Desacred

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09-02-2012

I never tried Karma before ;(


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JeanieYuss

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09-02-2012

Karma's an amazing champ, but she does have some problems.

Karma top lane can be good against some champs. She's good against Darius, who is a top pick right now. When Darius Grabs Karma, it puts her in a good position to Spirit bond a minion behind darius, landing both the slow and the damage portion. Mantra+Shield to deal damage damage, and absorb damage. Followed by a Heavenly Wave for additional burst. The slow from Spirit bond allows you to get out of his range Quickly after he pulls you in, reducing the damage he deals to you.

Darius is just 1 example. She can do well vs other melee bruisers such as garen. She's not great vs the hyper sustainers like Cho'gath, Yorick, and Vladamir.

Mid lane Karma is probably the Safest, and most effective. She can stay alive vs most Mids. Her harass is rather short ranged, and her sustain is rather mana intensive. If you feed her blue buffs, she can just spam all day, as her wave clearing is very strong. Her speed buff, along with her Shield makes her hard to gank as well.

Karma Doesn't have to build massive defenses to stay alive in mid like she does in top lane. Mid lane Karma can get away with Rushing Deathcap, and CDR. Giving her much stronger Shields/Heals. Which is the entire reason for Karma in the first place. Her burst damage is quite high as well.

Karma Bot lane is in a rather Iffy spot right now. Her Sustain isn't that great, and is very mana intensive, She only has a slow which doesn't counter agression, or save from ganks.

As of now Karma Bot lane is best played as a bursty Kill-lane support. Jayce/Karma, and Tristana/Karma have alot of burst potential, especially early game. This can easily get both your AD carry, and you fed. The only problem is that its a risky play. High CC supports like Blitz, and constant ganks from a jungler can easily backfire your Kill lane Karma Strategy.

Karma's Biggest Problem is her Lack of CC. No matter well you did in any of your lanes, if your team lacks sufficient CC you won't perform well in Teamfights. You have to build a team around Karma for her to reach her full potential. Here's a couple Team comps that will work with Karma

Karma (top)
Amumu (jungle)
Kennen/Morgana(Mid)
Choice ADC
Janna(support)


Malphite (top)
Maokai (Jungle)
Karma (Mid)
Ashe (ADC)
Sona (Support)

Jax (top)
Warwick (Jungle)
Annie (Mid)
Karma (Support)
Tristana (ADC)

All of these Teams Capitalize on Karma Strengths, and compensate for her Weaknesses.

Bad Team Comp:
Karma (Top)
Nocturne (Jungle)
Ryze (Mid)
Corki (ADC)
Lulu (Support)

Fiora (Top)
Udyr (Jungle)
Karma (mid)
Ezreal(ADC)
Soraka (Support)

Yorick (Top)
Warwick (Jungle)
Karthus (Mid)
Karma (Support)
Tristana (Jungle)

Each of these lanes can be strong on their own, but once teamfights come around, you won't have enough CC, and your Lack of initiate will almost guarantee you a loss.


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Sam Is Whoa

Senior Member

09-02-2012

Karmas weakness is the ppl at the computer. She is viable as a support and a mid and a top. Why pick karma when you have a low health squishy no cc team. Just like why pick lulu when you have no CC tank. She works well in non meta comps that consist of tanky dps melee. Ive won multiple games with friends with this comp.

Karma(support)
Mundo(top)
Udyr(jungle)
Varus(bot)
Ryze(mid)


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Treza

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09-02-2012

karma consistently has the worst or near worst win ratio of all champions in the game. so in 1 word yes she is underpowered. you can post your experiences or opinions as you please but the fact of the matter is she has a horrible win ratio which cant be ignored


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ragnaraq

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09-02-2012

I've never used her, but every single one I've seen weren't good at all. She can be an epic support, but the ones i played with got greedy and died trying to chase people down. :S


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Sam Is Whoa

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09-02-2012

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Originally Posted by Treza View Post
karma consistently has the worst or near worst win ratio of all champions in the game. so in 1 word yes she is underpowered. you can post your experiences or opinions as you please but the fact of the matter is she has a horrible win ratio which cant be ignored
1 shes a character that cant carry so that doesnt help her win ratio

2 she doesnt have a high play rate so a few loses hurt the win ratio alot

3 she has a high skill cap and is difficult to master

4 as said before she only works in specific team comps and needs good team work

You can post all the numbers you want but the fact of the matter is, solo queue numbers do not favor high skill cap champs or unpopular champs. No champ is underpowered, just situational.


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