Combat Discussion

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Cryypter

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08-28-2012

There are a lot of PvP combat threads (tournaments, sparring grounds), and I have watched, if not participated in, nearly all of them. From these, I have noticed some problems that tend to arise, such as unrealistic reflexes, knowing things you shouldn't, etc. I know I have been guilty of these at times, as have others, so I figured we could use a civil discussion on combat, how to do it, problems you have noticed, and advice. The problem with trying to discuss it in the thread it is happening is that tensions can run high when you try to comment on other's actions. So this will be a place to discuss it without being in the heat of battle. To facilitate this, please do not discuss in-progress or recently completed fights unless you are certain everyone involved can remain civil and will not be offended.


To kind of start things off, I will make a suggestion. When you are RPing a fight, try to put yourself in that situation. Think about the environment, your position in it, your opponents position. Think about their armor; where would the weak points be? Which parts could take a sword hit without a scratch? Think about what your character is doing; could you swing your arm that high with shoulder pads? Would your sword be long enough to reach that far? More so than just thinking, actually get up and try out that move. See whether you could actually strike effectively with three limbs at the same time. Now I know that this is a fantasy world, so there are a lot of things your characters could do that you can't. But it is still helpful have some reference point to judge whether or not something is plausible, or even possible.


Discuss.


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AskLeeSinga

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08-28-2012

Hikou.


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Ask the Megling

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08-28-2012

I know I might get some hate for this, but I feel it needs to be said.

Even for the month before I started my Ask thread, it has always been my belief that OCs should never have the same power level of a champion. The champions are champions for a reason.


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Jaykoboy

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08-28-2012

Unless they're a summoner. Then it's allowed.

Simply put:

1) A summoner stopped Brand without much effort. A single summoner. Who wasn't even a grand summoner or anything like that. Obviously powerful.
2) Off the fields, a Summoner's powers are usually not limited to a five-minute cooldown on Flash. Maybe fifteen seconds. This applies to all of the spells; they're a fraction of the time between casting and not as limited as to what to be cast upon.
3) Summoners have a lot of free time. They can study other types of offense and defense.
4) Lee Sin was once a summoner. That should explain a pretty good chunk of my argument.


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Ask the Megling

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08-28-2012

Good points


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Jaykoboy

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08-28-2012

Yours was a good point, too.


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Ask the Megling

Senior Member

08-28-2012

Wait a minute, if my OC is roughly at the level of an average summoner, does that mean he can actually do something against a champ?


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AskBloodWizard

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08-28-2012

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Originally Posted by Jaykoboy View Post
Unless they're a summoner. Then it's allowed.

Simply put:

1) A summoner stopped Brand without much effort. A single summoner. Who wasn't even a grand summoner or anything like that. Obviously powerful.
2) Off the fields, a Summoner's powers are usually not limited to a five-minute cooldown on Flash. Maybe fifteen seconds. This applies to all of the spells; they're a fraction of the time between casting and not as limited as to what to be cast upon.
3) Summoners have a lot of free time. They can study other types of offense and defense.
4) Lee Sin was once a summoner. That should explain a pretty good chunk of my argument.
However, they should only be only the level of champions in magic. This is because they don't train in anything else. Summoners are also specialists. They wield powerful summoning magic, but to say that a summoner would be as skilled a necromancer as Karthus would be ridiculous. The same goes for champions imitating summoners. Karthus may be one of the most powerful necromancers ever, but he couldn't cast Ignite.


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Ask Fizz

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08-28-2012

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Originally Posted by Ask the Megling View Post
Wait a minute, if my OC is roughly at the level of an average summoner, does that mean he can actually do something against a champ?
No, cause he's a pansy.

Geddit?


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Jaykoboy

Senior Member

08-28-2012

Yes. But average summoners could probably be fried by high-tier champions, especially if unrestrained. For example, Talon could kill a lot of the summoners due to his stealth and silencing abilities. Kayle has her invincibility thingamajigger.


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