Riot: A serious "Boobs" thread.

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Steelovic

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10-29-2012

Yup when will a decent looking woman without HUGE BREASTS hit the field? rumour has it that those kind of humans exist too. Or a fat woman? Or an old woman? Its indeed just like all the female champs came out of the wet dreams of some ***-deprived teenager.


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Akai Kurayami

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10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by Guinsoo View Post
Yes.

But most of them don't show up so well when viewed at a ~3/4 isometric view from the champion's backside.
.... Really Guinsoo? In order to make a female champion more feminine, they need to have revealing boobs and cleavage? I am deeply saddened by it.

Sure we could be simple and only care about how big their bust are, but we can also be complex and look at what makes a women more appealing to us.

Everyone has personal tastes, but when you try to do the same thing over and over again, some of us will start to take notice and will grow tired of them. We want variety because all of us have our own ideal imagery of how "the perfect" women looks. For me, Riven is the female champ I would crave for every time I see her. Something swells in me that makes me wanna go crazy for her! No other champion has done that to me. And that is not because of her boobs.


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Skeith

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10-29-2012

The things Guinsoo posted in this thread are retarded.

My daltonic parrot with 1 blind eye and 4% of his other vision can notice the difference in-game from male to female even without the boobs.


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RagerDave

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10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by SkyClaw View Post
Riot, you have a lot of creativity when it comes to characters.

HON instantly turned me off with it's generic elves, archers, and ridiculously satanic looking "evil" heroes. Been there, seen that.

LOL wowed me with Sad Mummies, Steam Golems, fuzzy Yordles, and shield wielding chemists with giant bottles strapped to their backs. Very original, inspired stuff!

But alas, it seems to have fallen prey to the "Uh-huh-huh, chicks have boobs!" mentality so many video games suffer with. As a guy that likes chicks, I don't need to have my sexuality pandered to in every piece of media on the planet.

A handful of busty broads is fine. A handful! The ammount of scantily clad females in this game is way out of proportion.

Skinny female champs with cleavage or side-boob:

  • Akali
  • Ashe
  • Evelynn
  • Janna
  • Katarina
  • Morgana
  • Nidalee
  • Sivir
  • Soraka
  • Miss Fortune
  • Irelia
  • Sona
  • Cassiopeia

Female Champions with no exposed breast:

  • Annie
  • Poppie
  • Tristana
  • Kayle
  • Anivia (kinda)

Boobs are stunting Lol's growth!

Picture some of the most bizzare and creative champs: Blitz, Amumu, Shaco, Urgot. They're humanoid but not human, they don't mimic real male bodies, and they certainly aren't attractive. Why can't this be the way for most female champs?

It really seems like the designers are limited by the "attractive female body" template. You can change the flesh tone, add a tale, elf-ears, and some crazy new weapon, but it's still going to be a boring old woman (no offense, ladies).


I'm aware of some pro-boob arguements, and have responded in advance:


But it's a fantasy game!


All the more reason to include more varied, imaginative champions. Just because WoW's version of fantasy includes boobs everywhere doesn't mean LoL should, or that it's even a good idea.

But s*x sells!

So does gangsta rap and Pokemon, neither of which belong in this kind of game. Excessive cleavage is just as unrealistic and out of place, and makes me feel like the victim of some stupid "focus group" marketing strategy.

But guys like boobs!

Boobs are great. But so are original champs, which are currently being hampered by the designers' overzealous focus on boobs. Let's have boobs on a few of the champs, okay?

But women have boobs!

Yes they do, and I don't propose going out of the way to hide them on a normal, human champion. Miss Fortune is a good example of a character who should have noticeable cleavage, as it fits with her lore.

But why exactly do we have so many 'normal female' type champions? Is that very original?

"Who cares what they look like?"

Anyone drawn to the creative characters like Warwick, Mundo, Teemo. If Riot applied this design philosophy to their male champions, almost every one would be a "Muscled, handsome male" body type.

Shaco: Muscled, handsome man with two daggers.
Rammus: Muscled, handsome man with spiked armour.
Blitz: Muscled, handsome man with a metal hand.
Amumu: Muscled, handsome man with a few bandages hanging from him

You get the idea. Boring.

You're just gay/feminist/uptight!

If the best arguement you can come up with is a personal insult, save your time and don't reply.

Stop QQing, it's a game, get over it!


This pointless attack applies to all suggestions, which Riot has a history of listening to.

I'm trying to suggest something that I feel could really make LoL stand out from the crowd. The amount of "hot girl" female champions feels gimmicky to me.

I'd prefer that, in the future, they'd instead focus on more new and interesting ones.

But who wants to look at "ugly" female champs?

I'll leave you with some very popular, well recieved females who are unique and interesting without relying on boob appeal (see picture).

TL/DR:

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Sorry, but no.


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Varaxael

Senior Member

10-29-2012

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Originally Posted by Selliria View Post
....They're just boobs, guys. Not even REAL ones.

Maybe it's because I'm a chick, but I really don't see what the big deal is. I don't stare at the male character's ripped abs and get offended and/or turned on in any way. I see no reason to get turned on or offended at pixelated boobs. Sorry.
Yes, it is indeed because you are a chick. =) The cognitive differences between men and women actually go down to the cellular level. This is one of those differences; men are very "visually oriented" in regards to sexual cues as compared to women. Women look as well, to be sure - but they tell me it's more about the relationship (real or imagined) with the male in question than an appreciation of primary and secondary sexual characteristics. Men, on the other hand, looking at a sexually attractive woman, are very much aware of how appealing those sexual characteristics are - and how much they might enjoy a closer appreciation.

This is very much a simplification, of course - women notice sexual characteristics, and men care about their relationships. There's also a whole bunch of stuff we could discuss about social constructs (ankles have been, and in some places still are, considered erotica,) sexual availability (men are not doing this to their mothers and sisters, for example,) and the like, but if you want to understand men and *** at all, this is where you should start. =)


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lemonpartyfan0

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10-29-2012

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Yes, it is indeed because you are a chick. =) The cognitive differences between men and women actually go down to the cellular level. This is one of those differences; men are very "visually oriented" in regards to sexual cues as compared to women. Women look as well, to be sure - but they tell me it's more about the relationship (real or imagined) with the male in question than an appreciation of primary and secondary sexual characteristics. Men, on the other hand, looking at a sexually attractive woman, are very much aware of how appealing those sexual characteristics are - and how much they might enjoy a closer appreciation.

This is very much a simplification, of course - women notice sexual characteristics, and men care about their relationships. There's also a whole bunch of stuff we could discuss about social constructs (ankles have been, and in some places still are, considered erotica,) sexual availability (men are not doing this to their mothers and sisters, for example,) and the like, but if you want to understand men and *** at all, this is where you should start. =)
You are really missing the point of the person you quoted. Her point was the overly ridiculous abs of the male characters don't offend her, so why the heck would the large breasts of the females offend males? (As many men are pretending to be here)

Another of her points was who cares? The point of those pixel boobs wasn't to get you to try to have relations with those champions... they are supposed to be pleasing. You guys are taking this way too far LOL


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HunterKi11er00

Junior Member

10-29-2012

Agree with OP.

Just like to add that even though the technical quality of artwork that Riot has been commissioning has increased leaps and bounds, but the concepts are really getting worse.

Many of older champions of LoL were much more iconic, original, quirky and the designs didn't seem to take themselves so serious (in a very good way).

Mind you, I think Jayce is one of few recent champs that is quite original and nice design that isn't exploitative.


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Kaalika

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10-29-2012

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Yes, it is indeed because you are a chick. =) The cognitive differences between men and women actually go down to the cellular level. This is one of those differences; men are very "visually oriented" in regards to sexual cues as compared to women. Women look as well, to be sure - but they tell me it's more about the relationship (real or imagined) with the male in question than an appreciation of primary and secondary sexual characteristics.
Then those women are lying or they're answering a different question than what you asked, because it's not socially acceptable for women to admit to wanting *** outside of a relationship.

In the current culture, both men and women are not at all encouraged to look at men sexually and people of every gender are encouraged to look at women sexually. Any studies that claim "this is how the brain works" are looking at brains that have already been affected by culture.

The assumption is that men would be offended if males were sexualized, but if a woman is offended at seeing sexualized women everywhere she looks then she's just insulted for it. (Note, I'm only offended at my tastes NEVER being "allowed" by popular culture.)

It took me a long time to come to terms with the complete lack of visually appealing men in: videogames, straight porn, teen magazines, entertainment industry, etc.

Men are told that they don't have to work on being visually appealing to attract a mate, they just need money and status. But who gets laid? Hot guys, even ones without money or status. Average slobs who don't even try to look presentable (cleanliness, haircuts, occasional gym time, great smile, nice butt,) don't do so well unless they have the money advantage.

Female desire is a huge untapped market.

Riot would be smart to take advantage of it, especially with a playerbase huge enough that a small percentage of women is still a larger market than the entire market of some other games!


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Livin4Jesus

Junior Member

10-29-2012

Jeez! Finally someone who has the same mindset as me... Come on Riot, let's make this the ONE game out there that doesn't have naked girls everywhere!
(I know for a fact I'm probably going to be made laughed at so much for this post. I don't give a ****.)


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Jinx the Zombie

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10-29-2012

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Mind you, I think Jayce is one of few recent champs that is quite original and nice design that isn't exploitative.
Before anyone who is too lazy to use their brain for a couple seconds cries about the size of my post, there's a TL;DR at the bottom for you pussybears.

I'm not going to touch on the rest of your post because this is the only part that really jumped out at me. Unfortunately, it's not in a good way, and while you're entitled to your opinion on the aesthetics of Jayce I would still like to propose the following argument against your claim. So, what I've done is taken a look at every new champion presented on the timeline since Jayce's release, and Jayce is included among them, and compared their aesthetics in terms of originality and whether their design would be viewed as exploitative in the eyes of many. Remember, this comparison is of aesthetics only. It does not take kits, viability, or anything else into account.

Let's start off with Jayce: A human man who follows a very classic aesthetic of handsomeness, one which many people have attributed as similar to Superman. The design of his clothing leaves a lot to the imagination, and his look is your pretty basic steampunk fantasy getup. Not the most original design out there, but a well crafted one nonetheless that doesn't really tread on the grounds of perceived exploitation.

Next would be Zyra: We all know what happened when she came out. We all saw how the forums were flooded with complaints about how she showed off too much, so the perceived exploitation factor is pretty damn high. In terms of the originality of her design, well chances are we all saw this line at some point, too: "She looks like Poison Ivy!" And yes, she does. Mechanically she's interesting, but aesthetically she falls into line with the argument you made. However, I should note that the two female champs released before her, Lulu and Fiora, both broke the ZOMG BOOBS! trend, so she was the first in a few months.

Diana: A very loose take on the Greco-Roman goddess of night and the hunt helped to spawn the character that is the antithesis to Leona in just about every possible way. She's dark and brooding like some of the League's other champs, but brings it in a very different way. From her art to her model, we can see pretty clearly that she is one of RIOT's more original creations. A contrasting color palate that utilizes more subtle green, violet, and silver tones than most of the other eye-popper champs really helps her in that respect. No one else in the League quite compares aesthetically, and while comparisons can be made to characters outside (as with every character in the game), she still manages to stand on firmer ground than most all while breaking the ZOMG BOOBS! trend and keeping clear of many perceived exploitations.

Rengar: The first thing to come to our minds with Rengar's release was the Predator, and it's a natural connection to make. The lines drawn between our Pridestalker and the Predator are pretty clear. However, RIOT still managed to take that basic concept and make it their own, giving us the first truly savage animal champion since Renekton. And while he might not pass the originality test with flying colors, I doubt that anyone with an ounce of sense would view him as exploiting sexuality.

Syndra: Perceived exploitations don't abound with her, but there were a handful of them on account of the small amount of cleavage she showed. Her look has that flair that we've come to recognize as Ionian, which means clear Oriental influences with the League fantasy twist. Of all the League's champs, her look is the most comparable to Diana's, though only in a handful of ways. Her color palate is primarily dark violets contrasted by gold to pop out, a common mix. All in all, she flies the colors of originality a little over half-mast while the issues of exploitation generally pass over her.

Kha'zix: Like Rengar, I'd be ashamed of the person who genuinely viewed Kha'zix as overstepping the unclear lines of what is too much sexuality. More than that, I'd have to question why they find an insect who's only humanoid in his most basic shape sexually attractive, but then again I've heard of people attracted to Geiger's Alien. The counterpart to Rengar, Kha'zix takes us back to the void for a time, a place where all sorts of angry bug-like monsters reign. However, while his overall concept doesn't exactly scream originality, the aesthetic RIOT gave him through his art and model really help to push him in that direction. The sheer level of detail involved in the creation of both his art and model both paint the picture of a creature that will change and adapt to new situations as needed. Like Rengar, Kha'zix doesn't ooze originality, but represents an archetype that RIOT made their own.

Elise: The newest member of the League, and the third with the ability to change forms, Elise brings forth a mix of what is currently being viewed as right and wrong with female champion design. She still has the sexy factor in her human form with the tight waist and the exposed cleavage, but RIOT managed to help push those aspects to the backburner with the careful inclusion of her arachnid traits. This aspect helps make her feel a little more original, but that doesn't mean she truly is. As for the potential for someone to perceive Elise as exploiting the female form, it's really up in the air with her. Whether it's the fact that we know she turns into a spider or it's the presence of the arachnid traits in her human form, I haven't heard much of anything regarding oversexuality in her design.

TL;DR: Your claim is partly false. The originality and exploitative aspects of champion aesthetics are almost as varied now as they were when the game came out.