How to counter all AD Carrys so hard that they are useless

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Armansky

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08-03-2012

Thornmail.


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Elchulus

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08-03-2012

Lifesteal says hi.


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KamiHenry

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08-03-2012

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Originally Posted by Armansky View Post
Thornmail.

Vayne says Hi.


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Armansky

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08-03-2012

the cost of thornmail compared to the cost of what it takes to counter a thornmail says hi.


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Boomstick II

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08-03-2012

I agree, although thornmail doesn't help your team out that much usually. It does hurt the enemy AD carry a lot though, even if they have a blood thirster, thornmail will out damage it (~25% LS vs 30% damage return) so you'd be forcing the enemy ADC to buy MR early, and maybe prolong a LW which helps your team out in a way.

Although the enemy ADC could just not attack you, so meh.


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Cenerae

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08-03-2012

Thornmail does not counter carries and make them useless. It is merely a cheap source of high armor that counters a bit of their lifesteal when they attack you.

If you want to counter AD carries, you pick Malphite, and you get a Frozen Heart and a Randuins Omen.


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Amaltron

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08-03-2012

More like Malphite with FH and Randiuns l0l.


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Ðetöx

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08-03-2012

The unique passive is countered by two vamp sceptors. Most base magic resists reduce 30%, so 30% of the 30% return from thornmail is gone, so 20% return in magic dmg. Countered by 20+%Lifesteal, two vamp sceptors. The best it can do is force a adc to get one less dorans and one more sceptor.


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Ur little sister

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08-04-2012

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Originally Posted by NnoitraBeast View Post
The unique passive is countered by two vamp sceptors. Most base magic resists reduce 30%, so 30% of the 30% return from thornmail is gone, so 20% return in magic dmg. Countered by 20+%Lifesteal, two vamp sceptors. The best it can do is force a adc to get one less dorans and one more sceptor.
Actually, the thornmail damage return is calculated before resistances, and lifesteal is calculated after. This means that you have to incorporate armor into the equasion.
It's also THE reason thornmail is an valuable item. And I feel the item is horribly underrated almost purely because people don't know this.


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Etherimp

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08-04-2012

Lifesteal alone does not counter Thornmail, sorry.

A nice balanced combination of Lifesteal (Blood Thirster will do), Armor Pen (Last Whisper), and Magic Resist (Banshees Veil.)


That said.. The OP is correct. Getting a Thornmail before AD Carries have any Armor Pen or Magic Resist will pretty much force them to stop focusing you (or die.) ASSUMING...


And here's the catch to thornmail: You have a decent sized Health pool.


Thornmail w/ only 1500-2000 HP? = Not that difficult to deal with.

Thornmail + Lots of HP = Bad day to be an AD carry

Thornmail on a Rammus who's in DBC with a Warmogs = /surrender


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