[Request]Tips On Harassing

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Coleman

Senior Member

11-05-2009

You should just play Nassus and lay soul fire down everywhere all the time. Nassus does not really get harrassed when playing this way because getting close enough to harrass him is going to hurt.

Also take solice in the fact that even if you do suck at doing that, you're still being REALLY annoying.


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Redskizzers

Senior Member

11-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Coleman View Post
You should just play Nassus and lay soul fire down everywhere all the time. Nassus does not really get harrassed when playing this way because getting close enough to harrass him is going to hurt.

Also take solice in the fact that even if you do suck at doing that, you're still being REALLY annoying.
Nassy needs last hits with his strike, and his spirit fire is easy to avoid.

I never let nassy last hit without punishing him for it.


Honestly I used to suck a lot vs teemo, but then I went a few rounds playing him and got into his mind set, I found it easier to think like the enemy by doing this, and therefore easier to counter.

Teemo is a pain and will harass you out the nose. Poison plus blind plus hard hit plus high move speed gives him a lot of freedom to take a few consequence free shots at you. Teemo is one of the few heroes I would refuse to solo lane with.


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Maverik

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11-05-2009

First point is Champion selection: some are better some are worse at harassing.

Second point is pairing: if you're playing a low hp melee char and your lane opponent is a high dps ranged, request a change of lanes or stay very defensive. In some cases of extreme harassing and if your opponent controls the grass then last hitting might be the least of your worries. You might actually have a hard time getting XP.

Third point is hp regen: pots, lifesteal, regen items and regen skills. Find the best balance for your situation. lifesteal is good for ranged dps because you can regen by hitting creeps from a distance and later build the vampiric scepter into other high end items. Regen items are good for chars that will benefit well from the upgrades (usually armor/M.Resist/hp items) and to ppl that can manage the slow regen against a harasser. pots are good if you're a nuker or good dpser that knows that a few levels ahead it's them that will be running, not you, since they're consumable. Regen skills: usually the best choice of regen item for champions that have regen skills is a plain and simple mana regen item.

Fourth: skill selection. some heroes have very cheap or mana-free skills (mundo's cleave, kat's knives, shaco's jack in a box). These are ideal for harassing. If you're shaco against teemo, your primary skill should probably be the jack in a box, which is very cheap mana wise, can occupy the bushes and fear him (besides having some decent damage) and you should cast it very very often and anticipating the opponent's moves.

Fifth: bait. if your opponent is an agressive harasser, use it to your advantage. Bait him into coming to hit you, start to back off as soon as he starts to move in and right after that attack him. He will usually give up the attack thinking you were backing off, you fire off a shot at him and when he notices he's gonna get hit he's already on his way back. Mind games.

Sixth and last point: communicate with your team and request ganks. Harassing is hard work and a long road to advantage. If the harasser dies once early game, his advantage goes down the drain. Surprise him.


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Lemt

Senior Member

11-05-2009

Now that you mentioned baiting, know that some champs are better at baiting than others. For example, Corki is great at it. He can get really close to the enemy, then Valkyrie away when they come in for the kill. Plus since you are ranged, you can still support from afar, and use Phosphorous bomb to hurt the enemy and keep them from hurting your fellow ganking teammate. Other charmps are worse at baiting, for example, Twitch pretty much never wants to be the bait. But even then you can sometimes bait. For example, lure them in with Ambush loading. Their hits on you will make the ambush take longer, but they'll suddenly be left without a target. Just be careful if your opponent has AoE attacks, as they don't have to see you to hurt you. And DO NOT try this against Corki.


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Bait

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11-06-2009

guide to harassing:
1. profanity.
2. sexual connotation.
3. racial connotation.
4. inserting "yo mama" helps no matter what the context.
5. gender based insults such as "you play like a girl."
6. insulting intelligence.
7. insulting sanity.
8. songs from pbs. i.e. lambchop's sing along, barney, mr. roger's neighborhood, teletubbies.

guide to wearing down your opponents:
1. regen items such as pendants.
2. ranged heroes.
3. hide in brush, use brush to get behind enemies.
4. hit and run inside brush
5. ghost is good for final blow.
6. keep your attacks to last hits only, enemies get more frustrated when on your side of the field.


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tehmonk

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11-06-2009

position is also pretty key. if you're auto-attacking in your lane, you're basically pushing. pushing towards their tower puts them in a favorable position because you're less likely to get into tower range to poke at them. if they have a stun or snare, that's even worse for you to get in tower range. on the flipside, if you limit yourself to last hitting creeps without actively pushing, you let the wave come to your tower and put yourself in a better position to poke from.

also get used to jousting and getting into mindgames against your opponents. an approach here, a feint there.. get used to reading your opponents movements because they'll most likely telegraph their intentions by moving to get into range or seeking a better angle to throw their skillshot.

in the same vein, limiting your movements or moving erratically and unpredictably makes it hard for your opponent to read your intentions. for example if you're a ranged nuke like annie, by positioning yourself between your ranged and melee creeps and patrolling back and forth along the line, your opponent might read you as being about to toss a nuke their way or they may simply want to stay out of your range.

you also want to make sure you get the message across that you're neither dumb nor a *****. respond to harassment intelligently. if they're at a major advantage and they make a move on you, don't stand there like an idiot throwing everything you've got if you know you'll die. but at the same time, if they come poking at you here and there to be annoying, throw a nuke in their face and teach them better. harassment is a huge mind game and asserting dominance in your lane is one of the most important points of the game.

another way of playing it is by portraying yourself as the ignorant *****, especially if you're playing a hero with a lot of firepower in the form of burst damage. for example if you're a veigar or a ryze you might eat a really easily avoidable skillshot here and there to convince the other player that you're inferior, and when they come in for the kill, burn them down like a book of matches.

once you establish yourself as being an intelligent and aggressive player in your lane, most players will be less likely to harass you out of caution.


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Guthrek

Senior Member

11-06-2009

While I know it goes against the common logic, I find auto-attacking can be extremely useful in stopping harassment. Obviously still stop to last hit, but if you're up against a hero who's good at harassing but can't really close the deal (no good cc/movement abilities) making sure there's an uneven distribution of creeps can be really effective. If he has two creeps and you have five, he'll be less likely to harass because if his creeps die he's the target (or they'll just turn and target him). When you get to his tower, your creeps die fast and his are unlikely to die at all, which means you don't lose out on experience from staying back. when the uneven push comes your way, just cautious last hit for a minute and they'll be at your tower and he'll be unlikely to try anything at all.

obviously not for all heroes, though. mostly ranged dps or heroes with cheap aoe. That also doesn't help You harass Him, but in some matchups you just have to suck it up. If you play it right they'll rarely be able to come close enough to harass you without taking close to or more damage themselves. It's still frustrating being on the defensive like that, but it stops you from being exp/gold crippled or forced to recall all the time


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smokeD

Senior Member

11-06-2009

Most common mistake of a harasser is to attack creeps. Second most common mistake of a harasser is to click on your opponent.

What you do is you click on the grounds away from enemies till you get close enough so you know you can hit, than basically you move around between his creeps and him trying to get different angles. If you juist click on him and don't pick an angle the creeps auto attack you. (sorry i call them creeps minions whatever DotA habit). So for example Ashe vs Gangplank. Ashe gets meki pendant and as 3 hp pots. Gangplank gets a regrowth pendant.

Ashe runs around picking angles at Gangplank using frost arrow so Gangplank cannot move towards him and use his parrley. You make sure that if he ever does attack you that your creeps will move in on him and you will get a better push.


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Boshiwukins

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11-06-2009

Quick one, Blitzcrank that annoys you. He shoots his right arm, so stay on the side of the creeps that has his left arm and hide from a grab with his RIGHT arm... Also teemo (favorite of mine) is a deadly harasser as we know, try to hurt him quick if your with 2 and keep him afraid of going in there.


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Logo

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11-06-2009

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Most common mistake of a harasser is to attack creeps. Second most common mistake of a harasser is to click on your opponent.
Another really common mistake is not attacking creeps. So you harass and wear down your opponent and he's playing defensive bobbing in and out. Maybe you cause him to pop heal or recall + teleport great. Now hit tab. What's your last hit at compared to his? Harassing is pointless unless you score a kill (not entirely likely against smart players, or at least don't count on it) or out farm him. Some matchups (say soraka vs ashe) it's better to prevent your opponent from farming than farming yourself but overall you must make sure you're still getting in those last hits and more last hits than your opponent.


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