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Jayce's background makes Viktor look like a hypocrite and a saturday morning villain.

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PurePrestige

Senior Member

07-03-2012

Quote:
borkcire:
i know this belongs to the lore forums, but if i yell loudly enough here, a rioter will notice me.


Viktor is one of my favorite champions and, as a lore enthusiast, i liked his underdog scientist that was driven to the extreme theme. But, that's all we got of him and i hoped that he'd get a judgement or journal mention to flesh out (heh heh) his character even further.

And now we get jayce that, after much controversy around his release, manages to also make my favorite character look like a one sided dastardly mad scientist who's plans got foiled by the dashing and quick-witted blast hardcheese.

I suppose it's too much to ask for dirk hardpec's lore to be changed, and i know viktor is not particularly popular (and that the lore system will take a while to be re-implemented) but i hope that you realize how inconsistent his lore is and i urge to you take it back on it's original path.

We (or at least i) want viktor to be a tragic character (villain or otherwise) who sticks to his principles, not a god **** d(ick) dastardly who stops to cheat.

Edit:

Wow, i have to say i did not expect this much support, which is why i didn't make the original post more informative, but i am glad where this went. Instead of mindless complaining, we brainstormed ideas for a better lore and fleshed out viktor's character beyond his background information. I am sure riot noticed this and that we will be answered. And if they don't (highly doubt it), it is still nice that we worked together.

For new comers and viktor enthusiasts, i urge you to look through the thread, as it is an interesting read.

Here are some related links:
Jayce's lore (revised), by zalmout
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2313926

change jayce's lore before release, by the machine herald himself
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2313271

jayce will be a great jungler/ganker, by treeke
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2313702

my new jayce lore (with a twist!), by mosbanapple
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2314329

itt: We jaycify other lores, by oxyclean works (i do not endorse malice. I do, however, find it hilarious.)
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2314776

jayce's lore, new, by untouchable
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2314747

league judgment - jayce, the hero of everything, forever, by renekton bot
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=26484121

the lore forum, which deserve more recognition
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=32

and of course, the many names of david ryder, by mst3k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfhlj2vojhy

and, speaking of mst3k, i'd like to tell you the mantra: "it's just a show; i should really just relax."

edit2: Mission accomplished. Our perseverance has been repaid and jayce's lore will be revised. This is a good day to be mechanic man.

holt s**** better nerf irelia


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Baby Nap Time

Senior Member

07-03-2012

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RiotRunaan:
It isn't Jayce's opinion of himself, it's just a story about his particular moment of glory. The point is that some of his actions in the story can be seen as flaws that may hinder him in his future endeavors, though. Jayce is a hero at heart, but he's going to run into challenges and struggle along his journey.


Too little, too late. Renekton Bot already has this issue wrapped up (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2316005) for me.


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Leaguealizeit

Senior Member

07-03-2012

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RiotRunaan:
he “acolytes” mentioned in Jayce’s bio were not random minions but in fact Zaunite humans Viktor has swayed to his cause (and augmented, of course, with “improvements”)


Thats like the definition of a henchmen. Someone who will just do what Shredder wants because he's evil.

I mean its not hard to come up with a more original story (but then again you did fire most of the lore department)


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IS149c9d0730e8b88ab7fc5

Senior Member

07-03-2012

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Leaguealizeit:
Thats like the definition of a henchmen. Someone who will just do what Shredder wants because he's evil.

I mean its not hard to come up with a more original story (but then again you did fire most of the lore department)


Could have been worse. I mean he could have stated Jayce's lore is now about dogs.


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Khourey

Senior Member

07-03-2012

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RiotRunaan:
It isn't Jayce's opinion of himself, it's just a story about his particular moment of glory. The point is that some of his actions in the story can be seen as flaws that may hinder him in his future endeavors, though. Jayce is a hero at heart, but he's going to run into challenges and struggle along his journey.


I think one of the problems with his lore it doesn't quite explain why he joined the league, if its in Piltover's best interests or if its to directly combat Viktor


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Lisztomaniac

Senior Member

07-03-2012

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Susilo:
Agreed that Viktor's motivations should be changed. Make it so the item he stole was originally born from a blueprint that was stolen from Viktor. Thus, Viktor has rightful claim to the item, in his mind.

Also, Viktor should not be defeated. his battle with Jayce should cause so much destruction in Viktor's lab that it collapses around them, cutting the two off from each other. Jayce makes it out of the rubble with his item in hand, but Viktor is nowhere to be found. When returning, Jayce finds out that Viktor is a member of the league, so that would be his motivation for joining.


this so much.


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Dave of Canada

Member

07-03-2012

It's kind of horrible when "Viktor" and "Stanwick" become interchangeable.


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Borigrad

Senior Member

07-03-2012

The most important thing i read out of all this from Runaan.

They have a lot of Lore planned out for these two characters. Which means they might be getting close to their new lore system or actually picking up where the JoJ left off.


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viledemon19

Senior Member

07-03-2012

if you wanted to make a rivalry between viktor and jayce that is fine i don't mind that at all. But **** why have viktor a guy who thinks his stuff is the best steal from jayce. Why would he want puny work lke that when he can clearly make stuff better. Plus the whole jayce comes back and is celebrated from breaking there own law is total bull****. and they never explained why he joined the league. to stop viktor or to hep piltover what? his lore was written so badly i don't get how you guys let that one slip up. i'm glad they are looking into fixing his boring generic lore. its already bad enough he is boring don't mess up someone else to make jayce seem a little interesting


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Ask the Monkey

Senior Member

07-03-2012

Quote:
RiotRunaan:
It isn't Jayce's opinion of himself, it's just a story about his particular moment of glory. The point is that some of his actions in the story can be seen as flaws that may hinder him in his future endeavors, though. Jayce is a hero at heart, but he's going to run into challenges and struggle along his journey.


If you need an essay just to explain what happened in the background story of a champion, then you're doing it wrong.