Hybrid Penatration item concept - Anuket's Halberd

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Irelia Bot

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06-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Qeuscis View Post
Don't allow the %Pen to stack with void staff or LW. This is the only holdout balance-wise. Also, the passive should be worth at least 750 gold.
The thing you have to consider is that you can get 40% magic pen from void staff but you would need 330 AD to get the 30% magic pen from this item for a total of 58% magic pen. To reach that 58% you will have to give up on quite a bit of other stats such as health or AP.

You will likely have 4 items slots taken up (viod staff and Anuket's being 2 of them) with such a build in order to get the 330 AD needed for the 30% magic pen leaving room for boots and one other item such as a Crystal scepter or death cap. This type if build would be hard to make really effective for most champions because you would have to tie up a fairly large amount of your items into boosting the magic or armor pen to a worth while amount.


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axesandspears

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06-26-2012

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Originally Posted by Qeuscis View Post
Don't allow the %Pen to stack with void staff or LW. This is the only holdout balance-wise. Also, the passive should be worth at least 750 gold.
% penetration stacks multiplicatively, so multiple small surces have a very weak effect on it.

The idea behind this item is that in order to get much magic penetration from this item one has to build ad, so the item is not worth taking on mages. Similarly, in order to get much armor penetration from this item one has to build ap, so it is not worth taking on ad champions.

Stacking the item with the % penetration items is also weak because it severely cuts into the % penetration from the item itself (you must consider 1 or 2 defensive slots, so trying to stack % penetration would leave at most the equivalent of 1 other ap+ad item and the hybrid penetration item will provide such little % penetration that it is not a problem.

Essentially this item idea allows hybrids to build % penetration in reasonable amounts and avoid a stacking problem with Last Whisper and Void Staff (which would actually lower your damage output). It is the best hybrid penetration idea I have seen, and that is why I support it.


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Irelia Bot

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06-28-2012

bump.


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Aggressive Ewe

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06-28-2012

The entire reason there's no hybrid pen item is because it's universal meaning that mages with say Lichebane can also have approx 10% free Apen without considering the bonus given from the item or other items at about level 12.

By the way .7 x .6 = .42 which when inverted is 58% Penetration. Regardless of how it stacks thats a ton considering other sources.


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Irelia Bot

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06-28-2012

If you have to give up on the damage behind the penatration is it really worht getting the penatration?

It would be 58% penetration if Anuket's is maxed out and with LW/Voidstaff but if you have 58% magic pen then most of your damage will be AD with this item due to needing 330 total AD for that 30% on Anuket's

That right there is 4 items(anuket's, viod staff and at least 2 AD items) as I stated in an earlier post.

It might look nice having that much penatration but it is hardly worth it in the long run.

This item's design makes it so that it can't be abused by those wanting to have 55%+ armor/magic pen.


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Irelia Bot

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07-01-2012

bump for more exposure.


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Rukhron

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07-01-2012

my only problem with this right now is that it has the same build path as Guinsoo


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CovertGhoul

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07-02-2012

Cool item, it would probably need some limitations on what it could stack with.


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Irelia Bot

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07-02-2012

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Originally Posted by CovertGhoul View Post
Cool item, it would probably need some limitations on what it could stack with.
The idea is to make it so that when it stacks with other % pen items it would not be worth while. The current set up seems to make this not much of a problem based on the numbers but might be a slight problem with Lich bane with the right builds given that it could be basic attacks doing +600 damage with 30% armor pen but that is still likely less damage then trynda's crits.

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my only problem with this right now is that it has the same build path as Guinsoo
This might be dealt with by having it be Kage's and a Amplifying Tome instead of blasting wand but this would be Riot's call if such an item would be put in the game.

Pickaxe(975) + kage's (765) + Amplifying Tome(435) + 175 = 2350


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TTT Jibca

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07-02-2012

Bump for a good idea.


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