how to counter thornmail

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Sam

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03-13-2012

Counters are Last Whisper. What thornmail does is make it dangerous to critical strike thats pretty much it. So if you build Last Whisper it'll break the armor and you won't take as much. So recommended don't build crit items like IE and PD against a thornmail opponent.

Building Wits End against one isn't that bad too. You hit a lot, plus its not physical damage its magic damage. :_)


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Yefo

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03-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Såm View Post
Counters are Last Whisper. What thornmail does is make it dangerous to critical strike thats pretty much it. So if you build Last Whisper it'll break the armor and you won't take as much. So recommended don't build crit items like IE and PD against a thornmail opponent.

Building Wits End against one isn't that bad too. You hit a lot, plus its not physical damage its magic damage. :_)
Mathematically, the "not building crit" thing doesn't really make sense.

Your opponent has 2k health and thornmail let's say. You are tryndamere and plan on doing all your damage with auto attacks. It doesn't matter whether you use 20 attacks without critting for 2k damage, or 10 attacks, all crits, for 2k damage... You still deal 2k damage either way, and either way, thornmail will return a total of 600 magic damage to you.

You could argue with crits you could 'burst' yourself harder, but if you have lifesteal, your lifesteal is going to 'burst heal' you harder too (and your opponent is also going to die faster). You're still going to take the same amount of thornmail damage over time.

I see building LW, Magic Resist, Wits, or Life Steal to counter thornmail, but crit items don't really have anything to do with it.


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Hemops

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07-22-2012

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Originally Posted by SheriffV2 View Post
Seriously? I was facing an enemy Fiora who had only a Vamp Scepter, and it totally negated the damage from my Thornmail >_<
She probably had magic resist as well so the 30% could be lower.


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King Roofus

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07-23-2012

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Originally Posted by MessiahForHire73 View Post
Build some magic resist -- Thornmail deals magic damage.

If you don't want to sacrifice damage output, just build another Bloodthirster for more lifesteal. Thornmail deals 30% back, so with above 30% lifesteal, you're healing the Thornmail damage you're taking. Of course you'd still be getting focus, so if it's their focus killing you more, that won't really help you.
Not true. Thornmail returns the damage you would do before resistences. Lifesteal heals of the damage you actually do. And the thornmail means they probably have at least 150 armor.


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OnlyBotLane

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07-23-2012

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Originally Posted by King Rafikerus View Post
Not true. Thornmail returns the damage you would do before resistences. Lifesteal heals of the damage you actually do. And the thornmail means they probably have at least 150 armor.
Nope. Lifesteal caculates before resistance too. It is actually calculated before damage is done. Which is why you can heal large amounts even from last hitting. EG. Kill a minion with 10 health gain 30 back.


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Brandon1223

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08-10-2013

say u r playing xin zhao does that mean i should just build more life steal b/c thornmail counters xin hard


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MDCityNIGHT

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08-10-2013

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Originally Posted by MessiahForHire73 View Post
Build some magic resist -- Thornmail deals magic damage.

If you don't want to sacrifice damage output, just build another Bloodthirster for more lifesteal. Thornmail deals 30% back, so with above 30% lifesteal, you're healing the Thornmail damage you're taking. Of course you'd still be getting focus, so if it's their focus killing you more, that won't really help you.
This is not entirely true because the thornmail passive deals 30% of your auto attack damage back at you with magical damage BEFORE armor reduces the damage of the auto attack. Lifesteal however happens after armor is calculated. So lets say that a person has 200 armor with a thornmail. And the enemy has 250 ad with 30% lifesteal. Thornmail will deal 75 damage to the attacker while the attacker will only heal 50 damage per auto attack.


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MDCityNIGHT

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08-10-2013

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Originally Posted by OnlyBotLane View Post
Nope. Lifesteal caculates before resistance too. It is actually calculated before damage is done. Which is why you can heal large amounts even from last hitting. EG. Kill a minion with 10 health gain 30 back.
Life steal is calculated from the actual damage done to an enemy, after armor and all other forms of damage reduction. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Life_steal Straight from the wiki. Also if this were true then you would be able to heal off of invulnerable targets and tryn when he is stuck at 1 hp which you can not.


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Rugalb98

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08-10-2013

What does this have to do with 3s?


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My Desired Name

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08-10-2013

Guys, there is no thornmail in 3's. This thread is from 2012.


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