Lets talk Leona

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Yaladilae

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02-15-2012

If I try to build Leona like i would with an AP carry, how viable would she be?


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Nekrogen

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02-15-2012

I think her ratios are too low for that kind of build to be viable.


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Psi21

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02-15-2012

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If I try to build Leona like i would with an AP carry, how viable would she be?
Please don't use Leona to be a carry on Dominion.

If you want a similar character with similar abilities that does do damage perhaps Jarvan would suit your needs.

But if you like the tanky aspect Leona provides and want an AP build of some type.
A Tanky champ that does do fairly well with an AP build is Alister.

However, if you are picking Leona for the look... well... perhaps just remaining tankish is good for the team in general. It could help with holding a node from being taken.


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Ppvkignx

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02-15-2012

You'd really only deal decent damage when you're using your ult.

Sion: 600 base + 1.8*ap on combo.
Leona: 640 base + 1.1*ap, 990 + 1.9*ap with ult. Passive ignored.
Maokai: 930 base + 2.2*ratio, 1130 + 2.7*ap with ult.

She just doesn't scale well compared to other champs.

edit: AP Alistar scales just as badly.


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Psi21

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02-15-2012

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You'd really only deal decent damage when you're using your ult.

Sion: 600 base + 1.8*ap on combo.
Leona: 640 base + 1.1*ap, 990 + 1.9*ap with ult. Passive ignored.
Maokai: 930 base + 2.2*ratio, 1130 + 2.7*ap with ult.

She just doesn't scale well compared to other champs.

edit: AP Alistar scales just as badly.
The Alistar idea was to preserve the need for really good tank.

And Alistar's ratios aren't only good but they are AoE that helps the team most and if a node is getting mobbed.


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Keonyn

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02-15-2012

Leona does effectively in Dominion so long as the team does well. She is particularly effective on defense due to her arsenal of stuns. However, AP Leona is simply not viable due to horrendous ratios and she definitely isn't a carry. If these are the roles you're looking to serve then you'd do best looking elsewhere.


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MrMundungu

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02-15-2012

She does rely on your team being able to capitalize on her CC, and the (admittedly) little damage it does when compared to your carries is still damage, perhaps 1-3 auto attacks fewer needed to kill. This is a good thing.
She's extremely useful for attacking defended enemy-controlled points as well as defending your own (you may die, but she can buy so much time for your team to regroup and possibly show up in time to clean up the enemy team).
Of course when playing Leona, you have to be pretty skilled with her, while your team kind of sucks AND you have to win, to be able to take any real credit for the victory from your team as her K/D ratios probably will not reflect what many people mistakenly believe to be the sign of a well-played game.

EDIT: Randuin's Omen for team fights at points and even to protect your own carries from getting dogpiled in the jungle.


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Grantson

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02-15-2012

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If I try to build Leona like i would with an AP carry, how viable would she be?
There are some champions who are severely weak against stuns like fiddlesticks who Leona's stun is godlike. But most solo Leona I've seen still rely on a turret to effectively kill a champion. Usually in 1v1 confrontation Leona fight are drawn out long enough so reinforcement from one side or the other come in to tilt the favor anyways.

If you want a damage dealing Leona pick between a Trinity force/tank or Lichbane/AP and see how she works for you instead of a pure AP build.


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urmamasllama

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02-15-2012

allow me to add nautilus into the mix although its a bit tricky given the way his W and E work

Q base 240 ratio .75
W base 150(750 in full use) ratio .4 (2.0 in full use)
E base 220 (440 with three hits) ratio .5 (1.0 with three hits)
R base 450 ratio .8

so bare min w/o ult is base total of 610 with a total ratio of 1.65 full potential is 1430 and 3.75
with ult its 1060 and 2.45 max is 1880 and 4.55

understand you gotta have mad skill/crazy luck to get the max potential ratios


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Isysar

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02-15-2012

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If I try to build Leona like i would with an AP carry, how viable would she be?
Way way way too low AP Ratios. You will fail, die a lot, and be not worth as much as straight tank / support aura.


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