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I....I didnt even think about that..*facepalm* I forgot since he doesnt have an ult, he only recieves three ranks in a desired skill base don how i build him.God im stupid. Ty for that insight, and sunfire cape is my favorite item, glad to ehar udyr is the man to use it with. I will still elarn both tiger for laning, and phoenix for jungling, as i want to be able to see if the game is falling apart, switch scalling to tiger, and start laning in unranked situations. Thank you, again.