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AD Kog'maw?

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killerb0y

Recruiter

01-10-2012

Kog: 500 base + 210 (lvl 5 W) = 710
Tris: 703 base at lvl 18
Cait: 650 base

So effectively, Kog and Tris have the same range (at level 18). But since Kog can get lvl 5 W by level 9/10, his range is longer for most of the game.


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Cooper112

Senior Member

01-10-2012

Quote:
killerb0y:
Kog: 500 base + 210 (lvl 5 W) = 710
Tris: 703 base at lvl 18
Cait: 650 base

So effectively, Kog and Tris have the same range (at level 18). But since Kog can get lvl 5 W by level 9/10, his range is longer for most of the game.

but remember thats with his w that last how long?

In other words if he is silenced or it runs out in a long team fight then what?


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Wrathgarr

Senior Member

01-10-2012

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cooper56:
Ummm no are you sure?

Im pretty sure lvl 18 tris has as long range as that and cait.


Cait's range is 650, Trist's lvl 18 range is 703 and kog's range with lvl 5 bio-arcane is 710 (his base range is 500, and bio-arcane barrage gives 130 / 150 / 170 / 190 / 210 bonus range.) So, yes, Kog does have the longest auto-attack range in the game.

Anyway, there's a few reasons that Kog is best played as AD or on-hit/AD. First of all, his spells have good base damage, but their AP ratios are pretty bad, especially on his W. His really strong steroids make him a ridiculously powerful AD carry. Bonus attack speed in his Q, plus the armor/mres reduction, the bonus range on his W and his AoE slow, plus his super long range finisher ult stack up to one strong AD carry.


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Taenaryn

Senior Member

01-10-2012

Attack speed+on hit effects is extremely effective in Dominion.

You don't generally build AP on Kog for a few reasons:

First, his W, which is his primary damage ability and which scales with AP, requires 100 AP to increase effectiveness by 1%. That means you need 100 AP for an extra 20 damage on a 2000 health champion.
Second, his E, which is a skillshot and has a slow travel time, is therefore not particularly useful. It scales decently, but it's more useful as a slow than a nuke.
Third, his Q, which does scale off AP decently, provides a permanent attack speed increase, which is more useful with your basic attacks than with your W which isn't always available.

You get more results, faster, if you build AD than AP. An AP build means you're playing for the late game, because your main source of damage scales at .01 AP. But building as AD, you get that great 6% health hit IN ADDITION TO your main AD damage, and if you build attack speed, you get that much more frequently.

I've seen good AP Kogs, and I've seen good Hybrid Kogs (starring Ginsoo's Rageblade). It's just cheaper, faster and more efficient to build an AD/AS Kog.


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Cooper112

Senior Member

01-10-2012

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Wrathgarr:
Cait's range is 650, Trist's lvl 18 range is 703 and kog's range with lvl 5 bio-arcane is 710 (his base range is 500, and bio-arcane barrage gives 130 / 150 / 170 / 190 / 210 bonus range.) So, yes, Kog does have the longest auto-attack range in the game.

Anyway, there's a few reasons that Kog is best played as AD or on-hit/AD. First of all, his spells have good base damage, but their AP ratios are pretty bad, especially on his W. His really strong steroids make him a ridiculously powerful AD carry. Bonus attack speed in his Q, plus the armor/mres reduction, the bonus range on his W and his AoE slow, plus his super long range finisher ult stack up to one strong AD carry.
Wrong!

Just looked it up.

Twitch has 875 wtih Spray and Pray so if you count abilities its twitch even if its on long cooldown.

For with no abilites cait still has higher range at lvl 1.


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Warrrrax

Senior Member

01-11-2012

A lot of people seem to think that you either go AD or AP. It turns out that AP is really awful because his ratios are so bad. It literally takes 1333 AP just to double the damage that his Ult does. This is terribly inefficient. His caustic spit is rarely used and Puke is a once-per-fight thing. Boosting Barrage by a few percent is nice but not if you don't boost your AS at all.

Therefore if you don't go AP, then you go AD rite? Well that seems to be the general thought process. Turns out that On-Hit AS is much stronger because these items are cheap, efficient, and greatly boost attack speed which is important since Kog has such a strong on-hit effect already.
This means that a Kog can become very deadly really early on, compared to most AD carries. With a mere 4000 gold worth of stuff (Wits End, SotD), he has very high AS, 67 onhit dmg from items, deals 6% of their max health (vs 1500 health dude = 90 onhit damage!).

What this means is that an 18 kog will deal about 100 damage from physical (his base AD) per attack, and several hundred worth of magical damage per attack. Hence he tends towards magical damage.

Since he takes the AD carry slot, this isn't necessarily a good thing IF your team is already leaning towards magical damage. Therefore many want him to go AD. But it works out fantastic if you have several physical champs already...such as a physical dude solo top and physical guy jungling. With an AP carry mid and 1 support bottom, dealing magical damage is a pretty big bonus.
In any case, magical damage is harder to counter.

AD Kog DOES work decently. personally, Id think one would prefer to take Caitlyn or Trist if you are gonna go AD...as they have escape mechanisms and stuff that works better with AD. It isnt the most efficient choice but it does do quite well. Therefore this topic will never die and many people will play Kog as AD.


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Carados

Senior Member

01-11-2012

Hint: Warrrax: There's a reason that all the top level players only go AD Kog'maw. See if you can find it!


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Warrrrax

Senior Member

01-11-2012

Hint Carados: You are a dick. There's a reason most of your posts get downvoted. See if you can find it!


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Carados

Senior Member

01-11-2012

So, you're a troll. Got it.


If you're better then them, why aren't you ranked higher then them?


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Warrrrax

Senior Member

01-11-2012

I'm afraid you are the troll. You consistently belittle everyone else's opinion, and never bother to even explain your position, citing vague references like "its blindingly obvious" and "everyone does it".

You are just a terrible terrible person and the LoL forums would be much better off if you found a new hobby. Go take your dreary butt over to Skyrim or Dota 2 forums or something and depress all of them.


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