Why do we need war? A short speech by a fellow summoner.

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belthazor3457

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01-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Super Explosion View Post
With limited resources, there will always be a dispute as to who gets them.

That's why all creatures in the world evolve around obtaining food energy and not becoming food themselves.

A human-viable approximation of the constant "war" the natural world experiences is economics-- where in theory, the more effectively you work at producing resources, the larger share you get yourself.

The other human applications of it tend to be more troubling to other people, like killing your competition for their apple trees, or stealing the produce.
And this gets us stuck in a bit of an infinite loop, because if you don't go around killing people and taking their apple trees, and adopt a "peaceful" method, other people will immediately come for -your- apple trees, thinking that you are less likely to fight back then the others. It doesn't take long for this to happen, so peace usually doesn't last. Even people who do like peace have to fight for it if they want to keep peace in addition to freedom, and sacrificing the latter for the former is simply not something humans should do.

To trade freedom in exchange for peace and securtity doesn't function well for self preservation, because it establishes a system where those whom cheat the rules and are more violent and less peaceful become more heavily rewarded then those practicing peace - hence the benefits of suppressing the freedoms of others.


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Super Explosion

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01-09-2012

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Originally Posted by belthazor3457 View Post
And this gets us stuck in a bit of an infinite loop, because if you don't go around killing people and taking their apple trees, and adopt a "peaceful" method, other people will immediately come for -your- apple trees, thinking that you are less likely to fight back then the others. It doesn't take long for this to happen, so peace usually doesn't last. Even people who do like peace have to fight for it if they want to keep peace in addition to freedom, and sacrificing the latter for the former is simply not something humans should do.

To trade freedom in exchange for peace and securtity doesn't function well for self preservation, because it establishes a system where those whom cheat the rules and are more violent and less peaceful become more heavily rewarded then those practicing peace - hence the benefits of suppressing the freedoms of others.
Well no, not really a loop-- as for the first part, you simply need to adopt a policy of self defense.

For the second part, legal systems suppress technical freedoms (like the ability to kill whoever you want) in order to promote greater self determination (personal choice) and societal stability (that everyone under the law is capable of contributing and receiving resources in some way).
Legal systems are not infallible, but a leak in the dam does not invalidate the concept of a dam.

Legal systems that do the best tend to be ones that effectively curb in-society detriments to human needs (see: Maslow Pyramid of Needs), while allowing anyone, through resource-producing labor, to gain a proportional share.


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