So I'm trying to figure out why AD champs have AP ults?

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AZ Frost

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3 Weeks Ago

Doesn't make any sense to me at all. What if you gave karthus' ult that was based off AD. Sounds dumb. Exactly my point. Ashe, Aatrox, Trist, etc.


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Jelubi

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3 Weeks Ago

It makes perfect sense, AD champions have very strong Auto Attacks, that is a basic attack that has no cooldown, no cost and can always be used. It is constant damage output. Mages rely on skills which usually hit much harder than AD auto attacks but have cooldowns and costs. If you allow all AD champs to have all of their skills scale on AD as well then they make AP champs useless because now all AD champs can put out reliable damage with their auto attacks non stop while also having skills that hit as hard as casters.

The game is more than AD and AP, this is the actual breakdown

Auto Attackers (Tryndamere, Vayne, Caitlyn)
AP Casters (Leblanc, Gragas, Lux)
AD Casters (Uncommon) (Jayce, Zed, Nasus)
Hybrid (Ezreal, Akali, Kayle)


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JustMyBassCannon

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3 Weeks Ago

Probably because the skill exists for its effects instead of its damage.

With Aatrox, you use it much more often for the range boost and AS steroid than for the damage.

Other examples; Ashe's ultimate has a stun and an AoE slow. Tristana's ultimate has the farthest knockback and is also the knockback that can be applied at the longest range. Varus has a long range snare that can hit multiple people.

The ultimates that scale on AD tend to exist almost purely for damage. Draven's ultimate is just a massive Sivir Q with (noticeably) higher damage. Caitlyn's ultimate is a long-range snipe. A couple have utility--Lee Sin's knockback, Jarvan's mini-wall--but the reason they scale with AD is because they're meant to deal damage.


Your example of changing Karthus to AD is incongruous because his ultimate exists purely for damage. Aatrox's ultimate doesn't exist for its damage, it exists for its benefits. The burst is nice, just not the focal point of the skill.


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kavinh the third

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3 Weeks Ago

so they don't get insanely strong from double scaling off auto attacks and skills. There's no skill that i can think of in the game that has 0 scaling from either ad ap or hp so it'd be weird to mark that on an adc and in some cases like tristana it opens up a completely new build without making their main role overpowered


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Vuther

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3 Weeks Ago

An AD champion having an ability scale with AP is because the ability's value is more strongly based around its utility value than its damage. Or in Aatrox's case, by the attack speed steroid and 175 bonus attack range. Indeed, having the AP ratio is scaling the ability is lucky to have - if they wanted to be completely strict about it, it just wouldn't have any scaling at all because that's their real intentions for it on their normal AD builds.


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Rosnik

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3 Weeks Ago

If Ashes ult had AD scaling everyone would cry. A 3 second stun doing upwards of 600 damage is insanely broken which she can follow up on with autos and other skills. Unlike jinx who has a similar ult without a stun it provides damage but literally no utility in a teamfight compared to ashes AOE slow/stun


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Serpents Embrace

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3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Rosnik View Post
If Ashes ult had AD scaling everyone would cry. A 3 second stun doing upwards of 600 damage is insanely broken which she can follow up on with autos and other skills. Unlike jinx who has a similar ult without a stun it provides damage but literally no utility in a teamfight compared to ashes AOE slow/stun
I gotta interject to say that if Ashe got her max duration stun on you, she isn't going to be following it up with auto-attacks or abilities because she's on the other side of the map.

And if she teleports to follow it up, well, you just got S1'd like a noob.


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The5lacker

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3 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Serpents Embrace View Post
I gotta interject to say that if Ashe got her max duration stun on you, she isn't going to be following it up with auto-attacks or abilities because she's on the other side of the map.

And if she teleports to follow it up, well, you just got S1'd like a noob.
Yes but there's no reason for Ashe to arrow unless her TEAMMATES are going to follow up on it, and again, there's absolutely no reason for AD scaling on a 3.5 second stun.


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Serpents Embrace

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3 Weeks Ago

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Yes but there's no reason for Ashe to arrow unless her TEAMMATES are going to follow up on it, and again, there's absolutely no reason for AD scaling on a 3.5 second stun.
I agree, but, he was wrong. She won't be following it up with auto-attacks or Volley.


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MrCheaterPants

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3 Weeks Ago

The same reason Mage's auto-attacks aren't based off of their AP.


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