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Power Yi vs AP Yi.

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Fluffy1

Senior Member

11-26-2011

hes got the shaco situation, AD to split push and AP to teamfight/assassinate.


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FaerellG

Senior Member

11-26-2011

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Cenerae:
It is a gimmicky build, because he relies entirely on scoring kills to keep dealing damage in teamfights. A single, 4 target 1:1 scaling nuke pales in comparison to actual mages. Two of them is still nothing to brag about. It only begins to edge out the damage of Brand or Annie when you get a 3rd in, which means you need to score two kills in a teamfight.

No other champ is so reliant on doing this to actually perform their job properly.

And even if you don't build him like a glass cannon, if you get stunned/silenced out of meditate, you're screwed anyway.

So, by that logic, that makes Katarina a gimmick character as a whole since her damage output relies on getting kills. Otherwise her ult is gone, and the rest of her abilities don't deal enough damage consistently.

I'm not trying to be contradictory here, but I'm curious as to the definition of "Gimmick".


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Seenan

Senior Member

11-26-2011

Katarina's in need of a tweak/buff anyway, imo. Her damage output relies on kind of an assassin style, without any slow/stun attack. I can never see a Katarina in a big fight..I see her picking up the leftovers. Only if this Katarina is really fed do I see that.

Yi on the other hand..


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Afraa

Senior Member

11-26-2011

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ForeverLaxx:
AP Yi is gimmicky. You're nothing but a walking Alpha Strike and Meditate tank. Apparently you don't understand how Meditate works if you think "building glass cannon" is how you get knocked out of Meditate. Stun, silence, forced movement, taunts... these things knock you out of Meditate, which means now you're just an Alpha Strike bot.

This is why AP Yi is a gimmick. He basically does nothing except win the lane he's in. If you can transition that into an AD build somehow, then at least your team can utilize you for something other than Alpha Strikes.


apparently you don't understand that if you build him tanky ap with lich bane he has great burst and if he doesn't get an epic multi alpha strike due to his ult he can dissengage meditate and then re-engage

if you are building completely glass cannon you better hope they don't have any silence stun knockback or ignite

meditate tanking is not reliable thats why you need some health in your build like ROA


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DarkenDragon

Senior Member

11-26-2011

I dont even understand what the argument is about. seriously AP yi is a joke

lets analyze it. what does AP provide to a yi. he gains more damage to his alpha strike which is on a 18-10 second cooldown, and his meditate gains more healing per second. thats all.

what does AD provide, well consistant damage through auto attack, his alpha strike is used to clear the minions in the area while also be a gap closer for the enemy, wuju style is now dealing more damage when you get more attack speed (cant have an AD build without attack speed) and your ultimate is taking total benifit of the extra attack speed.

AP yi can only alpha strike for a ton of damage and then afterwards he hits like a wet noodle thus he must go off and meditate. so if your inital alpha strike doesnt kill anyone (which it wont unless your jumping in at the last moment then what use were you in the beginning) then you have to run off and hope you dont die. but then im sure people are gonna say you can just meditate afterwards with a huge resistance and healing. yea any smart player would know to interrupt him and then making it ineffective, and if the player cant, this means that he can either run away or set up to destroy him once hes done.

an AD yi has no down time, once he alpha strikes, he can continue to dish out damage and destroy the enemy team. and then meditate will be used only in between fights to regain some health that he lost during the battle thus making his sustain better.

sure AP yi can nuke well in the beginning, but you require so much ap and you become a 1 hit wonder and once people start building mr, your 1 source of major damage becomes minor and your left with a wet noodle to fight with


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Fluffy1

Senior Member

11-26-2011

AP yi is alpha+lichbane whack with wuju making up for lack of AD, but hes reliant on highlander to refresh those CD's instantly cause after 2-3 highlanders the rest of their entire team is dangerously low and able to be cleaned up.

ive seen AP yi with deathfire, lichbane and deathcap just annihilation the back end of the enemy team while doing great collateral damage ot their beefier front.


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ForeverLaxx

Senior Member

11-26-2011

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Afraa:
apparently you don't understand that if you build him tanky ap with lich bane he has great burst and if he doesn't get an epic multi alpha strike due to his ult he can dissengage meditate and then re-engage

if you are building completely glass cannon you better hope they don't have any silence stun knockback or ignite

meditate tanking is not reliable thats why you need some health in your build like ROA


Apparently you don't understand that any other character designed to actually utilize AP effectively would be a better pick than AP Yi and all you're going to accomplish in a teamfight is a single Alpha Strike. If you're able to do more than that during a teamfight, your team doesn't need you because they were already winning. You give up teamfight presence and back-door potential for a slight gain in assassination power.

I don't care if you think AP Yi is good. You sound like you're defending the build because you play it. You're playing a bad build on a mediocre champion.


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FrozenFIames

Senior Member

11-26-2011

Quote:
DarkenDragon:
I dont even understand what the argument is about. seriously AP yi is a joke

lets analyze it. what does AP provide to a yi. he gains more damage to his alpha strike which is on a 18-10 second cooldown, and his meditate gains more healing per second. thats all.

what does AD provide, well consistant damage through auto attack, his alpha strike is used to clear the minions in the area while also be a gap closer for the enemy, wuju style is now dealing more damage when you get more attack speed (cant have an AD build without attack speed) and your ultimate is taking total benifit of the extra attack speed.

AP yi can only alpha strike for a ton of damage and then afterwards he hits like a wet noodle thus he must go off and meditate. so if your inital alpha strike doesnt kill anyone (which it wont unless your jumping in at the last moment then what use were you in the beginning) then you have to run off and hope you dont die. but then im sure people are gonna say you can just meditate afterwards with a huge resistance and healing. yea any smart player would know to interrupt him and then making it ineffective, and if the player cant, this means that he can either run away or set up to destroy him once hes done.

an AD yi has no down time, once he alpha strikes, he can continue to dish out damage and destroy the enemy team. and then meditate will be used only in between fights to regain some health that he lost during the battle thus making his sustain better.

sure AP yi can nuke well in the beginning, but you require so much ap and you become a 1 hit wonder and once people start building mr, your 1 source of major damage becomes minor and your left with a wet noodle to fight with


this argument is a joke right? ok.

AP and AD are situational, Yi is pretty versatile cause of this, he can be built AP or AD to fit different roles that the team needs.

basically summarized at what each excel in.
AD yi:
Jungler,
Backdoor
duelist

AP yi:
Laner
teamfights (reason why it's so popular in Aram, and Arab)


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ForeverLaxx

Senior Member

11-26-2011

Quote:
FrozenFIames:
this argument is a joke right? ok.

AP and AD are situational, Yi is pretty versatile cause of this, he can be built AP or AD to fit different roles that the team needs.

basically summarized at what each excel in.
AD yi:
Jungler,
Backdoor
duelist

AP yi:
Laner
teamfights (reason why it's so popular in Aram, and Arab)


Should probably strike "teamfights" from your AP Yi "excel list". It's popular in ARAM because he can't backdoor and that game mode is all about poking since neither team is allowed to go back to base, and AP Yi has the superior poke AND sustain for that game mode (because, again, no one can go back to base).

Which means all AP Yi has is the lane, which no one disputed.


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FrozenFIames

Senior Member

11-27-2011

So how is AD yi better or more useful at teamfights than AP?
plz keep in mind the following items that can be purchased by AP:
Hourglass, lichbane(can be activated by R or E as well), and deathfire grasp.


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