I need some help w/ Veigar.

12
Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

73 Han

Senior Member

07-01-2010

So I just bought this new mage simply out of love for it's concept.

That being said, I really don't know much about the playstyle and all.

I thought, 'since I play Fiddlesticks, and they are both mages, they must be similar!', only to realize that I couldn't be more wrong.

So I went to read a guide and now I kinda get the concept, but I still can't pull the tactics off even at a practice game with bots, so I ask you guys for help.

Hears what I am doing.

I focus on Q and E usually, since W requires E and that takes just too much mana

I last his with Q to stack up some AP, but now there's a problem

Since I'm continuously using Q, I'm low on mana all the time.

my mana usually range from 0~100. (His passive does help a lot when It's that low)

That bring to my concern

1. How do I harass opponents when I live check to check in mana?
and
2. How in the hell do you get 400+ AP that I hear all the time in Veigar guide.

Cause even when I continuously farmed, I only got up to 100 AP first 15 min of the game

and I'm sure after 15 min, I would be joining the team fight and won't be farming any more.... so where does the rest of 300 AP come from.?


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Zilikken

Junior Member

07-01-2010

I easily get 1000+ Ap with Veigar, all it takes it timing with event horizon and dark matter, plus the damage from baleful strike and primordial burst. What are the items you get on him?


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

PantokratorMC

Junior Member

07-01-2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilikken View Post
easily get 1000+ Ap with Veigar
I don't believe you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 73 Han
1. How do I harass opponents when I live check to check in mana?
That's a mistake I made early on. I generally don't harass at all. Instead, I last hit and either wait for level 6, or wait for my lanemate to initiate and unleash my full combo. Hopefully the combo kills them or at least make them head back to base. I also start with a meki pendant since the passive change. That gives me plenty of mana for early game. As far as AP, 100 at 15 minutes is a pretty good pace without a stacked mejai's. My AP tends to snowball as I farm better with dark matter and get kills mid/late.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Rapwnzel93

Junior Member

07-01-2010

Its very very easy to get an op veigar:

just take dorans ring and a mana potion at first...summoner spells clarity and teleport...with this combo u can use mana potion clarity and port to base and back again (so u wont have any problems with ur mana...)

my build is maybe a bit different:
Dorans Ring
CHalice of Harmony
Ruby Crystal
mejas soulstealer
socerers shoes
Soul Shroud
Sell Ruby Crystal
Zhonyas Ring
Sell Dorans Ring
Abyssal Szepter or Staff of Archangel

SKill build:
1. q
2. e
3. q
and then the whole time w/ulti and if its not possible q


gameplay:
1.try to get a solo lane
2.push to the tower of your enemy
3. run in ur jungle and kill some creeps
4.back to your lane and push again
5.try to last hit as much creeps as possible with w
6. when uve got soulshroud and some stacks(10) of mejas its veigar time ;D
7. u have to search for other heros who have much mana...
8. e to stun fast w at the position he will walk and then q and if he isnt already dead use ur ulti...for each time u do this ull get 5ap...
9. later in the game when uve got zhonyas and staff of archangel or abyssal szepter ur dark matter(w) will hit with 1000-2000 (when uve got enough lasthits^^)
10. stop laughing i am evil


sry 4 my english^^ i know its bad ;P


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

CoVi

This user has referred a friend to League of Legends, click for more information

Senior Member

07-02-2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapwnzel93 View Post
Its very very easy to get an op veigar:

just take dorans ring and a mana potion at first...summoner spells clarity and teleport...with this combo u can use mana potion clarity and port to base and back again (so u wont have any problems with ur mana...)

my build is maybe a bit different:
Dorans Ring
CHalice of Harmony
Ruby Crystal
mejas soulstealer
socerers shoes
Soul Shroud
Sell Ruby Crystal
Zhonyas Ring
Sell Dorans Ring
Abyssal Szepter or Staff of Archangel

SKill build:
1. q
2. e
3. q
and then the whole time w/ulti and if its not possible q


gameplay:
1.try to get a solo lane
2.push to the tower of your enemy
3. run in ur jungle and kill some creeps
4.back to your lane and push again
5.try to last hit as much creeps as possible with w
6. when uve got soulshroud and some stacks(10) of mejas its veigar time ;D
7. u have to search for other heros who have much mana...
8. e to stun fast w at the position he will walk and then q and if he isnt already dead use ur ulti...for each time u do this ull get 5ap...
9. later in the game when uve got zhonyas and staff of archangel or abyssal szepter ur dark matter(w) will hit with 1000-2000 (when uve got enough lasthits^^)
10. stop laughing i am evil


sry 4 my english^^ i know its bad ;P

On paper he might be right... However in Real Life, He's not.

Veigar is still a "meh" champion, a mage that blows early game but can be destructive with proper setups and against certain lineups and he's very item dependant.

On the other hand: Annie is great against Any lineup, non item dependant and overall... Better.

Play Annie for a while and practice on how to be a burst magical damage caster. Then go for Veigar, You'll know what to do from there on.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Zilikken

Junior Member

07-06-2010

Quote:
Originally Posted by PantokratorMC View Post
I don't believe you.



That's a mistake I made early on. I generally don't harass at all. Instead, I last hit and either wait for level 6, or wait for my lanemate to initiate and unleash my full combo. Hopefully the combo kills them or at least make them head back to base. I also start with a meki pendant since the passive change. That gives me plenty of mana for early game. As far as AP, 100 at 15 minutes is a pretty good pace without a stacked mejai's. My AP tends to snowball as I farm better with dark matter and get kills mid/late.


Do you still not believe me that i can easily get 1000+ AP?


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Gunflame

Senior Member

07-06-2010

+ 1000 AP is NOT easy.... but it is quite possible. Veigar is a very very late game champion.

Do you want a basic guide to veigar?

a) Meki Pendant+2x HP pots.
b) Boots
c) tear
d) Mejai (if doing good)
e) Deathfire grasp
f) Archangel staff
g) Zhonya, rylai, oh whatever item you need depending on the match

Summoner spells
- Flash (my favs)
- Ghost (my favs)
- Exhaust
- Cleanse

Masteries:
- First improve your summoner spells, second get magic resistance reduction, third, everything that gives mana. If you still have points left get experience bonus.

Spells:
- Q, E, W. After this max out R, then focus on your "game spell", which for me usually means max Q then max W, but you can also max Q & E or Max W & E.

Strategy:
- Farm AP w/ Q
- Farm AP w/ Q
- Farm AP w/ Q
- Stun enemy so you survive harass and ganks
- Farm AP w/ Q
- Use ghost to survive.
- Ding lvl 5, save mana and auto attack (if posible) the enemy
- Almost at lvl 6, start casting balefuls on enemy.
- Ding lvl 6, Kill enemy.
- Farm AP w/ Q
- Farm AP w/ Q
- Farm AP w/ Q
Note: Obviously return to base when you are low in life or when you are enough gold to buy tear+boots.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

SwampZero

Senior Member

07-06-2010

Biggest noob mistakes on Veigar =
-Not getting the kage pick as early as possible, or destroying it too fast into DFG
-Not drinking at the very least 2 Brilliances per game.
-Doing damage to enemy heroes before lvl 7~8.
-Having Clarity when you're high summoner level
-Taking anything other than 9/0/21 if you're 30.
-Not last hitting properly
-Not going nuke/stun/nuke/aoe/nuke/ulti/nuke/aoe/nuke/ulti over aoe over stun


Items not to get on Veigar in a pub game:
-RoA. In a pub game, all the survivability you get from this can also be acquired by better map awareness and not diving into teamfights first.
-Archangel


How to itemize Veigar:
-meki
-kages pick
-sorcerer boots
-codex
-drink a brilliance
-zonyas directly
-DO NOT MAKE DFG YET
-your blasting wand item of choice (voidstaff,the other antiresist staff,rylai)
-DFG now
-another brilliance sure
-more blasting wand items.


How to last hit properly with Veigar:
-LVL1 baleful strike = don't try if you're new at him. Just save your mana. ignore tower paragraph at lvl1 baleful, doesn't work.
-LVL2 baleful = go wild
-Towers: melee can take 2 tower hits and die to an autoattack+nuke. Be sure to time them properly to land almost together. After a bit, just nuke kills em. Caster: 1 tower hit and 1 nuke and they die.
-Try to spread your damage to all the wave so that you always have a minion to nuke so baleful NEVER sits unused.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

Dishbag

Senior Member

07-06-2010

last night we ran an Annie + Veigar lane.

nothing was left but a smoldering crater.


Comment below rating threshold, click here to show it.

SwampZero

Senior Member

07-06-2010

Also always drop a dark matter and a stun on top of an enemy pantheon ulti, before he even lands. He usually just dies instantly


12