the reason people are having such a hard time vs tryn

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Koldheartedjsp

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11-26-2011

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No the reason that people have such a hard time with Tryndamere is because people use him so much, he's a snowball champion, and he gets stronger as time goes on.

Yes every champion scales with items, every champion gets stronger as the game goes on, but none of them do nearly as much as he does. Tryndamere has the highest level of snowballing of any champion I've seen. He scales insanely well with attack speed because he'll always have rage, he scales well with crit because he builds rage faster and hits super hard, he scales well with attack damage because he'll crit harder, etc.

He has the perfect scaling for an AD carry. And that's the problem with him. He doesn't have a fault in his design or how he performs. He has everything you need for an AD carry, and even has an insanely over powered ultimate. I just got out of a 3v3 game where we shut down the Tryndamere and were able to push into their bottom lane all the way through their inhibitor and even did some damage to their nexus tower. What happened? They were able to just keep us barely off their towers until Tryndamere was able to build up.

30+ minutes in, Tryndamere is finally able to 3-6 hit every one on our team, and they take the win. Not because of skill or good team work, because they were able to postpone the game just long enough for Tryndamere to become a wrecking ball.

That's great champion design, but not for a game that promotes team work. Tryndamere would be great if there was a 1v1 gametype, but there isn't. There is teamplay only. So what needs to happen is a different ultimate for him (like they have changed other champions), a cap on crit, and removal of this champion from Twisted Treeline play. Make him Dominion and Summoner's Rift exclusive. He doesn't get super powerful in those, he is on par with everyone else.

I'm sick and tired of fighting Tryndamere on a daily basis, and losing only because I'm fighting Tryndamere.
according to you tryn is the one and only snowball champion in the game

there are TONS of champions that scale insanely well with gear


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GraciaFinal

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11-27-2011

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according to you tryn is the one and only snowball champion in the game

there are TONS of champions that scale insanely well with gear
*Cough* Master Yi *Cough*


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magicman77

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11-27-2011

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in 3s at least

In this retarded 1 top 2 bot meta, he's one of the few champs that doesn't get punished for pushing. He auto attacks constantly, pushes his lane, then go farms the top jungle while his lane opponent is last hitting from the tower. Stick 2 top, push if he pushes, and farm the jungle as a pair.

not talking high level play
its not even that hard
get some thornmail and he is deadand when he ults w8 bout 3 seconds and ignite dead trnyd


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magicman77

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11-27-2011

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Originally Posted by FallenHeavens View Post
No the reason that people have such a hard time with Tryndamere is because people use him so much, he's a snowball champion, and he gets stronger as time goes on.

Yes every champion scales with items, every champion gets stronger as the game goes on, but none of them do nearly as much as he does. Tryndamere has the highest level of snowballing of any champion I've seen. He scales insanely well with attack speed because he'll always have rage, he scales well with crit because he builds rage faster and hits super hard, he scales well with attack damage because he'll crit harder, etc.

He has the perfect scaling for an AD carry. And that's the problem with him. He doesn't have a fault in his design or how he performs. He has everything you need for an AD carry, and even has an insanely over powered ultimate. I just got out of a 3v3 game where we shut down the Tryndamere and were able to push into their bottom lane all the way through their inhibitor and even did some damage to their nexus tower. What happened? They were able to just keep us barely off their towers until Tryndamere was able to build up.

30+ minutes in, Tryndamere is finally able to 3-6 hit every one on our team, and they take the win. Not because of skill or good team work, because they were able to postpone the game just long enough for Tryndamere to become a wrecking ball.

That's great champion design, but not for a game that promotes team work. Tryndamere would be great if there was a 1v1 gametype, but there isn't. There is teamplay only. So what needs to happen is a different ultimate for him (like they have changed other champions), a cap on crit, and removal of this champion from Twisted Treeline play. Make him Dominion and Summoner's Rift exclusive. He doesn't get super powerful in those, he is on par with everyone else.

I'm sick and tired of fighting Tryndamere on a daily basis, and losing only because I'm fighting Tryndamere.
no he is not perfect
all he ever gets is damage damage damage
no defense of any kind
THORNMAIL AND HIGH HP RAPES HIM he falls fast to magic damage and btw nasus if ur any good at last hiting rapes trynd any day on tt


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Boo

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11-27-2011

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no he is not perfect
all he ever gets is damage damage damage
no defense of any kind
THORNMAIL AND HIGH HP RAPES HIM he falls fast to magic damage and btw nasus if ur any good at last hiting rapes trynd any day on tt
only bad tryns go glass cannon on tt. realistically, everyone is gonna focus tryn in a team fight so if you don't build any defense items, you're doing it wrong


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HappyBlackFriday

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11-28-2011

mass bumping all trynd threads


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SoTHaVoK

Senior Member

11-28-2011

If tyrn SOOO OP why has nobody beat my teemo with tyrn?

HOLY FUK TEEMO OP

RIOOOOOTTTT REMOVE TEEMO


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Relik Bloodlor

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11-28-2011

Its not thyr fault, its the nature of 3v3 crits need to be toned down. Just like the auras on dominion Twisted treeline needs some thing too. Most 3 man teams don't have the CC to shut thyr or any strong AD carry out long enough to deal with them. Crit damage ramps faster than armor/HP and in fewer items. Also loss on TT is different, a team mate is a 1/3 not a 1/5 of your combined damage, HP, CC, and items.


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DarkenDragon

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11-28-2011

I havnt seen one point that shows the true reason why trydamere is too strong in TT and thats because of the amount of opponents. 1v1 battle trydamere will almost always win because of his insanly high damage out put due to his high damage, high crit chance, and high crit damage most people build on him. even getting armor doesnt slow him down much. and as he gets lower health, he gets stronger and tougher, and with his ultimate to make him invincible for a short period of time just means he can deal max damage to everyone before he runs off with a heal in his pocket.

now I mentioned how the true reason why hes so strong is because of the amount of opponents is because the true way to destroy trydamere is to burst him down to the point that hes forced to use his ultimate and then disable him with fears/stuns/blinds/ensnares/kite. but not every champion has these effects. but also not many champions have the luxuries to hold onto those abilities until the moment trydamere uses his ultimate.

sure we can make this work by making sure we have at least 1 person that can counter trydamere in each match, but that doesnt seem to be fair to always assume a trydamere to be in each game and always build to counter him, limiting what champions we can play

so how can we remedy this? change either trydamere and how his ultimate works or how his damage scales with crits and such. or create a new stat that can negate crits or be a negitive crit chance sort of thing, similar to how in WoW the defense stat would reduce the chance the enemy can crit them. or allow armor to have a similar effect but a very minor amount, not to the point that it totally negate crits but to lower it enough to survive a few more hits, maybe cap it at 25% crit chance reduction or something like that


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DinerCar

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11-28-2011

Or just punish him for pushing.


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