Who is good against Katarina?

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ImamObama

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08-29-2010

I always get pwnt by her.


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Jravolta

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08-29-2010

Anyone that can stun/silence her out of her death lotus. Just wait for it.

But the biggest counter to Kat? Don't let her get fed. Play it safe early game and call MIA's, because if she gets an early lead Kat can snowball hard. If she's just doing alright early-mid game, then you have succeeded and now she's just a meh damaging, killstealing squishy.


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Xtchizobr

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08-29-2010

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Originally Posted by Jravolta View Post
Anyone that can stun/silence her out of her death lotus. Just wait for it.

But the biggest counter to Kat? Don't let her get fed. Play it safe early game and call MIA's, because if she gets an early lead Kat can snowball hard. If she's just doing alright early-mid game, then you have succeeded and now she's just a meh damaging, killstealing squishy.
Kat is a very common choice for solo mid since she has no mana to hold her back from harassing hard. if she's mid, then countering her for the whole game only requires that you send someone mid who can zone her out and deal with her attempts at harassment. ideally, someone who can out-range her, or out-farm her.

Morgana outfarms her easily, and the spell vamp passive helps a lot dealing with harassment. Heimer is still annoying, but thank god he got nerfed to hell (as he deserved); still, he can probably hold mid against her very well. ranged carries like Ashe and Ez can do well against kat, just keep in mind how delicate they are.

if you're in a side lane against her, you and your lane partner just need to concentrate your harassment on her and she'll shut up pretty fast. bonus points if you kill her.

any kind of crowd control and decent damage will ruin Kat since she only has Shunpo as an escape mechanism (which requires that she have a target to Shunpo too). to counter her ult, you need a hard stun or fear to interrupt it (Amumu's ult, Ryze's Rune Prison, Morgana's Dark Binding are all three roots, not stuns!). her abilities deal good magic damage, and the most popular way to build her is therefore AP.

when you see that she's building AP, just buy magic resist same as you would if their Annie was fed. it's really that easy.

Kat is annoying, and her lack of dependence on mana is an outrage, but it's not like she's the only champion like that.


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Razzimath

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08-29-2010

Couple things here.

Firstly, while its true that death lotus deals magic damage, it scales off AP or AD depending on which is higher. But more importantly Bouncing Blade does magic damage but scales off AD, so actually the best Kat build is AD + Mpen. Before anyone says it, yes its true that shunpo scales off AP, but its not always used for damage as its much more useful to setup an ult or to escape. An AP kat is sacrificing overall damage and usefulness for a insignificantly larger ult, and therefore is probably not a good player so you should feel safe being aggressive and kicking her ass :P (Protip: watch for kats who build dorans shield > sorc boots > BF swords > BTs when you cant buy any more BFs. They usually know what they're doing)

Another thing to clarify is that zoning out kat doesnt exactly work in a simple sense. You must always be aware that her BB can bounce off your nearby creeps so you've got to monitor your position in relation to her but also your own creep wave. Best thing to do as a range champ is to try and juke her BB and then be as aggressive as possible once its on cd. As others have said, she has no mana so she can harrass all day - but shes squishy. Make her regret harrassing you and you'll have a much easier time. Annie is brilliant at this. Ez is good as well.

Stuns and silences are great, but dont forget taunts. Im not convinced of Galio's overall effectiveness but hes almost the exact counter to kat. A passive that encourages getting MR and an ult that breaks death lotus, keeps kat in the middle of the fight and then deals damage to her. As an avid kat player, all I can say is ouch.

All in all, just try not to feed her. I know its lame advice but as was said she snowballs insanely hard. Also, due to her passive she effectively 'snowballs' during a teamfight if your team starts dying. Always be aware of where she is and as soon as she goes for the shunpo > ult, shut her down and focus her to a quick and painful death.

Hope this helps.


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peyo

Senior Member

08-30-2010

Kassadin and Garen

both have long silences, making her useless during whole duration + Kassadin can jump away from her ulti and Garen is tanky enough to just keep attacking her.

Kat doesn't stand a chance against good Kass in mid.


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T N G

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08-30-2010

Not for solo mid, but in general Udyr is a good counter-pick to prevent her ult in team fights.

Most champs have to 'save' a disable for the occasion, but with bear stance you have an interrupt available at all times basically.


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TL Frolo

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08-30-2010

solo mid?
morde/vlad are close for common mids
to counter kat something random like mundo/udyr/ww works pretty well


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Chingmeister

Senior Member

08-30-2010

Anyone that can heal for free on a 5-10 ish second cooldown to counter BB and shunpo harrasment. This uh, narrows it down to Nunu, Vlad, or Cho, or any dps with a lantern.

Cho is best because he can silence or popup Death Lotus end game.

I do 38% attack speed from runes Cho with a scythe to start. I trivially destroy Kat mid, as well as farm the two nuetral camps between waves. Build a sunfire, atmas, and then upgrade the scythe to a Starks and add a null mantle for a tough melee, or stack sunfires and a null mantle for a tough tank.

I only get 1 rank in popup until other skills are maxed. I start with spikes to kill wolves to start, then silence, then popup at lvl 3.


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Chingmeister

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08-30-2010

Add: with Cho as above you can get smite and kill both wraiths (smite big wraith) and wolves and start mid lane at lvl 2 with both spikes and silence.


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Nethervoid

Senior Member

08-30-2010

EZ, Ashe, Annie, Chogath, Vlad, Morde etc.


Kat isn't hard to play against when you figure out you must use positioning to punish her when she blinks to you.

The trick is to force her to take your damage and the damage for 3-6m creeps every time she tries it. You'll out damage her substantially.


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