Regarding the WCG Qualifiers

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HappyAndHazy

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10-31-2011

Straight up lie, this tournament was NEVER run in this fashion, you guys just forced Canada after the fact to do a Bo3 set to try and legitimize the fact that Voyboy lied to your admins about how Canada was played, they fell for the lie because they are incompetent and then when they found out they were lied to they forced everyone else to stick with the lie so that they wouldn't appear to be as incompetent as they are.

Fact of the matter is in order to save face WCG admins robbed CDE of a potential $30k.

At least the Canadian teams had some dignity, unlike team NoDignity, and they forfeited the next set of matches vs. CLG Canada because everyone already knows what the rules were, and they refused to go along with this illegitimate rule change/cheating that WCG is trying to pull.

We all know NoDignity agreed to play a bo3 in the first place so there was no need for clarification on their behalf, since Voyboy lied to the WCG admins when he told them Canada played 3 sets, starting this whole mess in the first place.

Just because you keep repeating the same lie, doesn't make it true, Riot.


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Servantofthe99

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10-31-2011

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The officially posted rules on the WCGs website incorrectly stated the rules for this event as best of three games. This was the primary reason for the confusion.

...doesn't seem like confusion...sounds like oh i dunno...THE OFFICIAL RULES maybe??


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Dfwang

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10-31-2011

The biggest issue here is that both Dignitas and CDE understood that CDE had won and qualified to go to Korea. With that said WCG was told that Canada had played 2 sets of games and that the US had only played one, so they assumed this was the truth. This happened to be false and WCG's logic was that they wanted to be consistent with something they were ignorant about.

If they truly wanted to be consistent then CDE wouldn't have to have played another set of games, period. The truth is that the administrative side of the tournament had a poor understanding of their own tournament, they did not know the rules they had implemented and didn't care to do any research on the issues at hand.

To go over it quickly the issues were: Jatt played for for the Canadian qualifiers and the US qualifiers, which is prohibited in the WCG rules which states that a player can only choose one if he has dual citizenship, that he cannot participate in two different countries; however here's the kicker, Jatt played in Canada, lost, then decided to play in the US qualifiers and was allowed to even though it was against the rules which condemned him to be disqualified. *** SIDE NOTE: They disqualified him for Canada AFTER he lost so he could play for the US. REALLY?****

WCG admins, and whoever else was involved, did not know anything of how the games were played in Canada and decided to make the US play one more game (even though both CDE and Dignitas had accepted that CDE was going to Korea) based on nothing. If they wanted to be consistent then the CDE wouldn't have to have played another game with Dignitas.

The other problem was that, if I recall correctly, WCG said (or Matt Marcou?) that they have the right to change the rules at anytime. This is clearly a high level of piss poor professionalism, incompetent administration and overall atrocious manner of conducting themselves.

If you can change the rules at any time then why have the rules at all? Rules in tournament are there for a reason, to clearly prevent anarchy in the match making system and prevent any unfairness to the players. There was a strong favoritism for Dignitas in this case, so how is this fair to the players of CDE, the community AND other teams that will go to Korea if they can change these "rules" so easily?

The truth of the matter is that this is how it probably went down:
-Unnamed Dignitas player "Canada played two sets and we only played one, we should get another set"
-WCG "Oh, really? Ok"

It's the only thing that makes sense at this point, because if they had actually taken the effort to try to resolve the issue at hand, then this problem wouldn't have arose.


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Ahnzu

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10-31-2011

I don't understand why this guy refuses to man up and admit he made a mistake. There's so much false information in his post it's rediculous.


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BoJamz

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10-31-2011

make an ultimatum about playing league of legends, if riot realizes that less people is playing LoL because of this incident, they will fire marcou.


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BlindPhaydo

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10-31-2011

Marcou, Bo3 series in the finals is not the consistent format that WCG was using for qualifiers. They've never done that before, nor does any LoL tournament. In fact, the Canadian qualifier was a best of 3 games finals and WCG made no effort to make that one consistent with this imaginary, unwritten rule they introduced after the tournament.

The issue is not "poor communication" it's that the rules were clearly communicated and then changed after the tournament was finished. No competitive event should ever be run this way. Furthermore, I think you're downplaying your own role in this decision since you stated on SotL that when WCG came to you they were still undecided, and the decision to re-write the public rules, that all the players had understood, was a mutual decision between Riot and WCG.

You need to own up to the role that Riot played in this fiasco.


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Jedem Das Seine

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10-31-2011

heh

the definition of consistency seems to be lost on the lot of you fiddling with the rules


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MasterfulWizard

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10-31-2011

Why does Marcou dodge the fact that Jatt broke the rules by playing on 2 separate teams?


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Shuuya Kano

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10-31-2011

YO MARCOU. CDE had a one game advantage, didn't they? What happened to that? They won the second game yesterday; they should have won the set.


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sleepingcold

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10-31-2011

Was the 'officially posted rules on the WCG’s website' regarding dual citizenship also 'incorrectly stated'?

I can't really comment regarding the seeding arrangement too much because I don't have the full picture there... but on another red note, Jatt's Canadian team participated in WCG qualifiers before his US team so he SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOCKED TO THE CANADIAN TEAM.

Instead you gave him a bye by DQ-ing a team that was already eliminated and letting him have a second chance. I can't even understand how this was allowed to happen.