Experiment: Design a Magic Penetration Item

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Xelnath

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09-25-2009

I like both of Tiberius' items better than my proposals. Lawl.


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Candesce

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09-25-2009

One thing comes to mind - if you don't want to outright nerf MR, the magic pen item shouldn't be a major source of AP if the other team isn't MR stacking; and if you do want to nerf MR, it's probably better done directly, say by making it more expensive.

Perhaps a defensive aura item that steals MR the way Veigar steals AP?


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TiberiusAudley

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09-25-2009

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Originally Posted by Xelnath View Post
P.S. Could you guys please post a list of all in-game items somewhere on your website for browsing? It would make this stuff much easier. Jumping in-game to look for rarely used components is annoying!
You're on IRC, use the !item command


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Xelnath

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09-25-2009

IRC doesn't have pretty item art!


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CF Furyan

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09-25-2009

I wanted to get my posts in before reading everyone elses, so here they are:

Tier 3(Uber)
Name(TBD)
+90 Ability Power, +650 Mana
UNIQUE Passive: Attacks penetrate 40% of the defender's magic resistance.
3300(460)g
Reagents: Blasting Wand, Sage's Ring, Tier 2(Mid) Item

Tier 2(Mid)
Name(TBD)
+30 Ability Power +25 Magic Penetration
Reagents: Amplifying Tome, Emerald Ring
985(100)g


Tier 1(Reagent)
Emerald Ring
+10 Magic Penetration
450g

Feedback welcome. Just wanted to take a shot at the creation of an item. Hope it looks good. Also, couldn't think of any cool names, so names for the items would be appreciated as well =P

Also, I don't know the solid mechanics of which is better flat, or percentage, just trying to throw some numbers, that didn't look too rediculous, in. Tweaks to the numbers are also appreciated.


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Cooking Panda

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09-25-2009

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Originally Posted by Furyan View Post
I wanted to get my posts in before reading everyone elses, so here they are:

Tier 3(Uber)
Name(TBD)
+90 Ability Power, +650 Mana
UNIQUE Passive: Attacks penetrate 40% of the defender's magic resistance.
3300(460)g
Reagents: Blasting Wand, Sage's Ring, Tier 2(Mid) Item

Tier 2(Mid)
Name(TBD)
+30 Ability Power +25 Magic Penetration
Reagents: Amplifying Tome, Emerald Ring
985(100)g


Tier 1(Reagent)
Emerald Ring
+10 Magic Penetration
450g

Feedback welcome. Just wanted to take a shot at the creation of an item. Hope it looks good. Also, couldn't think of any cool names, so names for the items would be appreciated as well =P
The uber one isn't even close to being balanced, I like the other two though


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Phlimsy

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09-25-2009

its a mistake to put a large amount of AP and penetration together. this proposed item should be balanced around the fact that it makes you more viable for taking out tanky types, but as a result your overall damage suffers.


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CF Furyan

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09-25-2009

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Originally Posted by PandaAssassin View Post
The uber one isn't even close to being balanced, I like the other two though
Thanks for the response

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phlimsy View Post
its a mistake to put a large amount of AP and penetration together. this proposed item should be balanced around the fact that it makes you more viable for taking out tanky types, but as a result your overall damage suffers.
Thanks for the response.


I changed it up a little bit and see if you like it:

Name(TBD)
+50 Ability Power +650 Mana
UNIQUE Passive: Attacks penetrate 40% of the defender's magic resistance.
3355(1050)g
Reagents: Blasting Wand, Sage's Ring, Emerald Ring


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Candesce

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09-25-2009

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Originally Posted by Xelnath View Post
Let's think for a moment about the intended target of this item.

This item is:
* Intended to counter units who stack magic resist
* Currently, magic resist stackers are tanks or melee champions who want to counter casters

This means that they are regularly trying to close the gap between you and them, in addition to throwing disables at you to prevent you from getting your damage off.
Working based on this and what I posted earlier:

A defensive item that gives armor and MR, steals MR in a local aura, and gives it to the champion as armor.

This way it's especially useful to casters trying to counter MR stacking, but can't be used especially effectively against casters, as the bonus armor isn't going to take any more edge off of incoming nukes than stacking MR normally would.


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CF Furyan

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09-25-2009

Ok, so I think I got it. Going off of what Candesce just said, in that it should "counter" melee tanks, etc., and some of what the others have said this is what I have:

Tier 3 (Uber)
Furyan's Rage
+50 Ability Power +600 Mana
UNIQUE Passive: 25% chance of increasing movement speed by 10% when struck by a melee, or ranged attack and slowing the attacker by 15%.
UNIQUE Passive: Attacks penetrate 40% of the defender's magic resistance.
3010(1050)g
Reagents: Sage's Ring, Emerald Ring, Book of the Magi

Tier 2 (Mid)
Book of the Magi
+30 Ability Power +25 Magic Penetration
Reagents: Amplifying Tome, Emerald Ring
985(100)g

Tier 1 (Reagent)
Emerald Ring
+10 Magic Penetration
450g

Hope you guys enjoy!


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