AP carry zilean?

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Smoothlikebuttah

Junior Member

10-01-2011

So, I had a game yesterday in normal draft mode, and a zilean was picked 4th pick after I picked janna with the second pick. Then, everyone complained that there were 2 supports on the team. But, I said that zilean could go mid and destroy with his time bombs. Everyone told me to shut up and that I was a n00b and all that.

So, I guess I am wondering, what is the viability of Zilean going mid as an AP carry? I used to play Kennen alot, and found that he was pretty hard to lane against, but maybe i just didn't know how to play mid.

Thanks!!


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Kittsy

Senior Member

10-01-2011

I think that Zil was repeatedly used as a mid at some recent competitive tournaments. He's much better as a mid than a support, IMO, and your team didn't know the game very well.


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Slumber Jack

Player Behavior Specialist

10-01-2011

Zilean is extremely good as an AP carry mid, but ironically requires a lot of support(!) to do so. He needs a jungler giving him constant blue buff mid to remain a terror past the first few levels.

He plays extremely similar to Orianna, in that he's an AP Carry with great lane control who trades off a marginal amount of damage late game for an absurd amount of utility. He's just not very popular and he doesn't really work in solo queue (a lack of reliable junglers), so not a lot of people understand his potential.

tl:dr; if you're playing Zilean as a support you're doing it wrong. Go mid or go home.


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PrinceGumby

Member

10-01-2011

Zilean certainly can go mid as an AP carry, but his problem is that his effectiveness as an AP carry late game really falls off. There are exceptions to this(Reginald and some other high elo players can be quite impressive late game with Zilean), but generally speaking... Annie/Brand/Swain simply outclass him late game.

Word of advice on dealing with Zilean in lane.. if you get bombed don't hesitate to dish back some heavy harass as Zilean really can't do much to you while he is on cooldown, damage wise.


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Kyoko Sakura

Senior Member

10-01-2011

Zilean is very good as an AP carry, his bombs hurt, the more ap he has the more effective his ultimate is and his slow/haste is a boss.

I would build him as AP/CDR so you can use all your time in team fights to the fullest.

For masteries I go the standard 9/0//21 with Flash + Ignite.

For runes take
3x AP Purples
9x Magic Pen Reds
9x Mana Regen/level Yellow
9x Cooldown/level Blues

This set up allows for good damage, a lot of CDR even at level 1 and the ability to use more spells.

For skill order
I get Q at one and W at two(if someone says get W at 1 they are trolling)
At level 2, you have a strong QWQ combo.
then get QEQR, then max Q then E then W and get R whenever you can.

Starting at level 4, you have a deadly
QEWQE combo which drains a lot of mana.

Also, your ultimate is a very useful in teamfights because it can revive a teammate.


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Ieatzombies9

Senior Member

10-01-2011

Zilean in general isnt an effective ap carry like Annie brand malz ect. He has one damage skill that can be used twice before he is useless, sure he has a brutal slow but hes much better played as a tanky ap like swain or cho, people will try to focus him down first because of his ult.


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Mattn33

Junior Member

11-09-2012

Zil isn't an AP "CARRY" don't get me wrong he isn't a bad mid at all. He just doesn't carry late game. You have to have a good team around you or you lose late game no getting around it. If their AD carry is more fed than yours you can revive him 4 times and it won't matter you will still lose the team fight and if you are out of position once you have to use your ult on yourself or die. The reason why he is picked in the tournaments is because he does well in lane and the pros can build a team around him. In solo queue he doesn't work as well because he cant carry as hard as some of the other mids. Who ever said Orianna doesn't have damage I question you because she has a lot of damage late game and more useful utility than Zil does. All in all Zil isn't a bad AP mid he just isn't and AP carry. So people that are saying "alert the pros!" you are either misinformed or don't understand why they played him. And the longer the game goes on the less effective he is because the other AP carry can get farm and then out carry him hard ( I've seen this happen a few times where he dominated early then couldn't do anything at 40minutes.) Bottom line if you want to play him do it with people you know and not in solo queue and make sure you win by like 35minutes.


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TwistWrist

Senior Member

11-09-2012

One, this thread is stupidly old.

Two, most AP Carries don't actually carry late game. Late game is when the AD Carry should shine.

Three, how can the other AP Carry carry the game if they get shutdown in lane? If you pick Zilean mid against mid that can handle the early harass, then you shouldn't have picked Zilean.


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Nidilen

Senior Member

11-09-2012

Hey Smoothlikebuttah

Zilean mid is still a really good pick! The one thing about him is that he is a very early game mage (still with potential for late game, depending on the building of items). As far as it goes he is able to still do all the roles of an APC!

Reginald (a famous player in this game) still likes to run Zilean mid!

If you have any more questions just ask!

Happy Summoning

~Nidilen


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IS134793e5f3c35e84c7d25

Senior Member

11-09-2012

good luck doing damage with zileans, .6 ap ratio bomb, that gives enemy time to use heal taric soraka alistar, gives them time to use shield janna leona, gives them time to use heal summoner spell if about to die. use extra mana to double cast it for 1.2 ap damage, good now you did slightly more damage than nunu's iceblast but you didn't low them like nunu's iceblast does.

heck. ap leona soraka nautilus alistar, all got more ap ratios than a zilean. but zileans is sort of safer.

i am not saying zilean is bad, he is just niche.

keep in mind any mage has way more total ap ratios on their kits than zilean does, even non-mage more tanky ap champs got more than zilean. go on lol wiki and look it up.