Teemo is now too strong

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Peach Plum Pair

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06-04-2010

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Originally Posted by Carados View Post
Explain, say, how he would be better then AP Nidalee with Rylais?
Ashe with Phantom Dancer.


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Xanxas

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06-04-2010

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Teemo is a fast-walking Twitch with exploding wards.
Nah, Teemo is Twisted Fate with more survival and less cooldown reliant. He fits the same category that everyone would stick a TF in their group for (besides backdooring). Map dominance. Teemo's ambushing isn't as keen as TF's, but with stealth and mushrooms it's more sudden. There's no awareness of what's about to happen. Additionally, he can scout much more consistently than TF, who needs to wait for Destiny to not be on cooldown in order to get an idea of enemy locations. He can also pursue enemies and use hit-and-run tactics better than most champions, TF included, due to incredible speed, which even with Move Quick deactivated is still higher than your typical non-Yi, and the speed boost comes back off cooldown very quick. Most good Teemos enter combat without it activated anyway so it can be toggled at will. As for DPS, Teemo can churn out repeated 1000+ damage crits by the end game every half a second. A lot of ranged champions can probably match or exceed that, but it's by no means low, he's just more reliant on autoattacks and attack speed than skill spammers.

Teemo vs Twisted Fate

Teemo:
+ Speed, like no other
+ Attack Speed is HIGH
+ Stealth Ambushes
+ Scout Vision (mushrooms, speed)
+ TRAPMASTER - Easy ganks if you know where to plant em
+ Excellent Pusher - Minions be ****ed
- Doesn't have stun, only blind
- Snare relies on setting traps for the enemy, needs to get lizard buff
- Not the best DPS in the game, but still decently high

Twisted Fate:
+ Has Stun (or snare, but shares same cooldown)
+ Global map reveal
+ Stacked Deck > Poison
+ More useful in team fights
+ Backdoor capable, solos towers
- Slow and squishy when Destiny is on cooldown
- Destiny HAS a long cooldown
- Heavily reliant on red/gold card for survival

Overall, Twisted Fate is better suited for supporting his team while Teemo is better suited for running around solo or ganking from behind during team fights with mushrooms to block escape routes of the enemy. Have Twisted Fate try that and he's going to get sandwiched between the entire enemy team and a tower and die miserably. Whatever Move Quick's disadvantages are, it's still superior to being completely helpless against an approaching enemy.

Excuse Carados, he trolls and bashes Teemo at any chance possible.


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Archfiends

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06-04-2010

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Originally Posted by Xanxas View Post
Teemo:

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Excuse Carados, he trolls and bashes Teemo at any chance possible.
Can't agree more.

Edit: guess who voted down this post... a real troll he is.


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Carados

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06-04-2010

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As for DPS, Teemo can churn out repeated 1000+ damage crits by the end game every half a second
So can any other champion in the game given the right items.

What makes Teemo better at that role then, say, Annie?

Teemo has a high base Attack Speed. That's his qualification to be a ranged carry. Annie has the highest base attack range in the game, which I would argue is more important, because it's a very, very important stat and impossible to get with items.

And attack speed isn't a good damage stat anyways.

Teemo's passive is worthless and you should not be using it past level 1. As a carry, it is your job to farm. Sitting around waiting is not farming.


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Schn

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06-04-2010

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX View Post
Teemo is a fast-walking Twitch with exploding wards.
And no steroid and no AOE attack and no moving stealth.


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Archfiends

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06-04-2010

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So can any other champion in the game given the right items.

What makes Teemo better at that role then, say, Annie?

Teemo has a high base Attack Speed. That's his qualification to be a ranged carry. Annie has the highest base attack range in the game, which I would argue is more important, because it's a very, very important stat and impossible to get with items.

And attack speed isn't a good damage stat anyways.

Teemo's passive is worthless and you should not be using it past level 1. As a carry, it is your job to farm. Sitting around waiting is not farming.

If you keep feeling he is weak, just stop playing him, what borthered you to play him since you feel all his skill are so bad?


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Carados

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06-04-2010

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If you keep feeling he is weak, just stop playing him, what borthered you to play him since you feel all his skill are so bad?
Why would I give champion feedback on the champion feedback forum?


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Archfiends

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06-04-2010

Welcome for feedback, but save trolls and bashes


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Carados

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06-04-2010

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Welcome for feedback, but save trolls and bashes
How am I trolling?

And can you explain what you mean by "bashing?"


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Kama Toki

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06-04-2010

As of the most recent patch,

Teemo is now a hard counter to Morgana

I'm serious, between the stealth Black Shield Nerf (it doesn't block shrooms or poison anymore) and his new increased abilities.

I have no chance of killing a teemo anymore, when before it was a pretty fair 50/50 fight.