Elementz 5v5 Tier List (Draft Mode)

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Krackor

Senior Member

08-22-2010

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Originally Posted by Darge View Post
@Elementz
Which ones of these can do 1v2:
Ezreal
Anivia
Annie
Garen
Amumu
Rammus
I don't mean rocking or pushing on that 1v2 lane, just surviving. Is it possible with every champion to do 1v2?
Which one of these, if they were in one team, should go mid: ezreal, anivia, annie?
Ezreal can 1v2 to a certain extent if the opponents aren't too cc/heal heavy.

Anivia can kind of 1v2 once she gets her R to clear creep waves at her tower, but if the opponents are good at dodging her stun, she'll get denied, then the tower will get pushed if they have a ranged carry.

Annie can't hold a 1v2 lane worth ****. She'll get denied from level 1.

Garen holds a 1v2 well. Passive keeps him in the lane, and judgement clears creeps at his tower.

Amumu will get constantly denied and can't stop enemies from poking the tower when the lane gets pushed.

Rammus can tower hug and taunt anyone onto his tower when they push, so he'd be a decent choice out of the tanks to solo a lane. DBC helps him survive if he ever gets dived.



Choosing between Anivia, Annie, and Ezreal mid probably relies far more on their potential matchups with the enemy mid than it relies on the champions alone.


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VMan7

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08-22-2010

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Annie can't hold a 1v2 lane worth ****. She'll get denied from level 1.
Hint: Don't max E first.


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Raptamei

Senior Member

08-22-2010

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Originally Posted by Dunkelzahn View Post
poppy for example is one of the best (if not THE best) anti-carries in the game, but she doesn't bring much else other than "farm for 20 minutes, hit R on ashe and vaporize her with impunity"
Specialised heroes are useless compared to generalists. This means Riot has no choice but to release more and more generalists and counter banning will get harder and harder.

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Originally Posted by Ultimai
I play malz in ranked...lol
Reported for trolling.


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Darge

Member

08-22-2010

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Originally Posted by Darge View Post
@Elementz
Which ones of these can do 1v2:
Ezreal
Anivia
Annie
Garen
Amumu
Rammus
I don't mean rocking or pushing on that 1v2 lane, just surviving. Is it possible with every champion to do 1v2?
Which one of these, if they were in one team, should go mid: ezreal, anivia, annie?

Also:
What do you think about such udyr:
AS Marks
Dodge seals (Stacks with his passive)
M.res/18 glyphs
AS Quints or flat HP (Tell me which one to take)
Items: Madred's bloodrazor, mercury treads, then 4 tank items depending on the enemy,
Ghost+Smite
1/21/8, getting improved smite, improved ghost, 5% more exp
Jungling, golem first, after killing the whole jungle, ganking (Probably 4 level then)
R>W>R>E>R>W>R>W>R>W>W>Q>Q>Q>Q>Q>E>E (
Basicalyy, you leave the movement speed/stun stance at 3rd level., use R to fight mainly)
Does it sound good? Could you please give me some names of good udyrs, so I can look at their items, masteries, runes, maybe talk to them (lol, stalking! ), watch their livestreams. Also thank your friend (If he is one ) guardsmanbob, he is very helpful despite being pro, he listens to newbies and gives them advices ;d


And thank you a lot Elementz, you do a good job helping people ;p

Ah, your TT tier list:
First page:http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...ad.php?t=97188
Still need an answer for this.

Plus: I know that it's this build: http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/gu...tle-time.xhtml
I just didn't want to waste his time. What is quicker, reading just the stuff that matters, or a wall of text?
Ty for help though.


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Mistikman

Adjudicator

08-22-2010

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I play malz in ranked...lol
Under what account? We all desperately want to see your Ranked Elo with Malzahar. It's certainly not the one you are posting with, since you have 0 ranked games with Ultimai.

He has a Q that has enough of a delay that it can be easily dodged, and if they even get close to dodging it they will only take half damage from it.

He has a W that does virtually no damage until the game is at 30+ minutes and the enemy team is all level 18, while also being really expensive on mana and having a very small AOE.

He has an E that does it's damage very very slowly (seriously 6 seconds is a lifetime) while uncontrollably pushing his lane, which is an awful thing for a squishy with no disables and no escapes to do early game. Because it does it's damage so slowly, it's not a reasonable spell to use to push a wave off your own tower, and it is about as effective for farming as simply autoattacking a creep wave, if your champion was unable to stop autoattacking. Everything about this spell is wrong.

He has an ult that is like Warwicks, but does less damage, doesn't heal him, doesn't get any incidental benefit from on hit affects, has a lower cast range and has a higher cooldown.

He has a passive pet that he can't stop from summoning that does a wide variety of awfully stupid things because he can't control it. It spends 7 seconds being utterly useless and an easy 12 gold for the enemy champion, During that 7 seconds, it will push Malzahar's lane, even when Malzahar cannot afford to have his lane pushed due to having no gank defense. It will sit outside brush not giving Malzahar any reasonable sneakiness that any other champion could have.

Seriously, his pet lasts for 21 seconds, which is forever in this game, but spends the first 7 being useless. Because of this, you have to anticipate fights almost 10 seconds in advance, then hope your pet attacks the right champion. I said that Malzahar's E has everything wrong with it. Malzahar's passive pet is worse. His pet actively detracts from his effectiveness, and if they simply removed his passive, he would be a stronger champion than he is right now.

The damage numbers on Malzahar are fine. On paper, he can really bring the pain, with really solid AP ratios and base damage. His problems are some fundamentally flawed mechanics, and when it comes to high level play, people will exploit the hell out of bad mechanics on the enemy team's champions. Enjoy playing at low to mid Elo in Normal games and winning with Malzahar.


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Krackor

Senior Member

08-22-2010

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Originally Posted by VMan7 View Post
Hint: Don't max E first.
Maybe the Annies that I've played with have just failed, so could you enlighten me on how an Annie would 1v2?

It seems like if you take Q first, you won't be able to get close to creeps to charge a stun since you'll get zoned hard. If you take W first, you'll waste a ton of mana getting stuns up, or else be subject to more hard zoning.


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Cruzerthebruzer

Senior Member

08-22-2010

All those heroes aren't very ideal for 1v2 assuming they have any cc at all getting zoned/denied would happen often with most.


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PuppetSoul

Senior Member

08-22-2010

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All those heroes aren't very ideal for 1v2 assuming they have any cc at all getting zoned/denied would happen often with most.
Heroes with natural escape skills can't be zoned, so they don't have the same problems as those without them.

Say for example, your top knows the enemy's top is Sion and Taric: an absolutely brutal lane for a 2v1. So say you're GP, you can take Raise Morale at lvl1 to deny two melee creeps and prevent yourself from getting xp denied (the lane will push to your tower), and then use parley and raise morale selectively to maintain the lane just outside your tower. If you have Flash/Cleanse, you should also have a fairly easy time killing both of them once you hit lvl6, provided the RNG swings in your favor on the barrage.

For any champ without a natural escape mechanic though, they're going to get hit with a 4 second stun chain and bursted down every 12 seconds or so... meaning that lane becomes impossible to maintain, and they're going to get xp denied.


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08-22-2010

Hey Elementz

Im not sure if you have a lot of info on Udyr, but I was wondering a few things like masteries, runes etc.

Right now I just have my basic rune book for him of Armor pen red, health/lvl yellow, -CD blue and flat heath Quint. For masteries, I usually go down to neutral monster buffs and then dump the rest in defensive.

I build madreds and then tank items after that.

Any help or direction would be much appreciated.


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Creature

Senior Member

08-22-2010

Predictions after the patch goes live.

Kennen moves up to tier 3-4.
Malphite moves up to tier 3.
Heimer moves down to tier 3 (POSSIBLY 2 but I doubt it)
Shaco moves down to tier 2-3