Elementz 5v5 Tier List (Draft Mode)

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Darge

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08-20-2010

Yeah, Elementz doesn't realise it, as well as the rest of top rank players. Maybe you'll fight your way to the top with Kog'Maw to show him his mistake? I don't think so.

Think about Annie. She's got three nukes, Kog'Maw has got 2 nukes and one funny ulti, which is used to check the brush. Annie has got stun. What do you need more during a teamfight? Nice aoe damage, aoe stun or nice aoe damage?


Elementz, what do you think about the new kennen? Will he be playable?


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VMan7

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08-20-2010

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Originally Posted by Darge View Post
Yeah, Elementz doesn't realise it, as well as the rest of top rank players. Maybe you'll fight your way to the top with Kog'Maw to show him his mistake? I don't think so.
You're an idiot. Just thought I'd point it out.


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Hemmet

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08-20-2010

I don't think there has been much discussion about Sivir, yet she is placed in tier 2, which is supposed to be for really good champs. I would like to know what qualities place her so high in the list in your opinion. In my eyes she doesn't fill her role as pusher or support better than many champs behind her. Her design is also clearly outdated compared to the new champs.


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Darge

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08-20-2010

@Hemmet about Sivir
With her shield, she can block one spell. During laning phase, you are basically unharassed. When you build banshee's veil, nothing can touch you. Your ulti gives you a lot of AS and MS, making pushing easier. She attacks many creeps at once, making u able to do quick pushes. And what wins the games? PUSHING! She also harasses nice with Q. She also isn't bad in teamfights, attacking all of them at once.


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BlueCrescent

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08-20-2010

I agree with that ez is the best ranged carry in the game. But knowing this, how can we effectively counter ez in a draft game when he's being picked by the enemy team? well I apologize if I posted this question in the wrong thread


and another question: I see you put most of AoE champions like galio / rammus / gangplank in low tiers. Are there any reasons to this? cuz I think these AoE & CC are very good in team fights.


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enderkin

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08-20-2010

You ban Ezreal if your first pick isn't taking him. Otherwise someone will play him and your game becomes really annoying.

Sivir is also irritating, because in solo queue people suck hard at holding lanes after minute 20 since everybody wants to be butt buddies milling around middle turret or having wraith-camp jungling parties. Sivir takes full advantage of this, and with teleport can be very difficult to counter-push (you need a TF or good lane control to do so).


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Wilczak

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08-20-2010

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Originally Posted by Elementz View Post
Lol pretty much how it goes down. +1

I need someone to gather all my responses so I can post them on the front page again.
Done! Last 100 pages

alistar http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...32#post2373032

anivia http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...48#post2371648
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...88#post2475388
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...34#post2485634

annie http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...48#post2285748

cho http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...44#post2274044
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...16#post2485016

corki http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...67#post2303467
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...73#post2423273

evelynn http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...60#post2403860

fiddle http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...82#post2403882
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...28#post2475528

gangplank http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...67#post2303467

janna http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...73#post2276373

jax http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...00#post2272400
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...56#post2402056

katarina http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...00#post2383000
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...95#post2389395

karthus http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...86#post2300386

Mal'Crapar http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...38#post2303438

mundo http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...51#post2435551

mordekesier(?) http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...22#post2377022

nunu http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...90#post2372590

rammus http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...84#post2297684

ryze http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...67#post2303467

sivir http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...00#post2293900

tryndamere http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...82#post2272382

twisted fate http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...48#post2468148

http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...09#post2470409

udyr http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...27#post2472027

vladamir http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...45#post2403745

yi http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...67#post2303467



girl and roaches http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board...83#post2401083


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Gigiwoo

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08-20-2010

Wowsers Wilsczak... That was a nice thing you did. Impressive.

Gigiwoo.


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EpicHippo

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08-20-2010

Inc Wall of text. Since this hasn't been said for quite a few pages I thought I might as well say it since the QQers are back. The tier list compares the champions against comparable champions. For example, since he's been coming up so much, Cho'gath. Compare him to other PURE tanks, Shen, Galio, Amumu, Rammus, Allistar.
Amumu - Stun, AoE bind, massive AoE damage
Shen - AoE taunt, Heals others, Shield
Galio - AoE taunt, fairly large AoE damage, shields others
Rammus - Taunt, AoE damage, Small knockback + slow
Allistar - AoE stun + Knockup, Knockback, AoE heal
Chogath - AoE Knockup, AoE silence
All of them have something that FORCES the target to target you, rather then a minor annoyance.

Now lets compare him to the Offtanks - Nasus, Garen, Sion, Xin Zhao (depending on build), Udyr, Gragas, Singed, Nunu, Mordekaiser, Malphite, Blitzcrank.

Nasus - AoE % dmg drain, attack speed slow, AoE armor /magic resist reduction
Garen - AoE dmg, silence, % dmg reduction
Sion - Reliable stun, AoE nuke, Reliable self heal
Xin Zhao - AoE % dmg nuke, knockup on short CD, AoE slow
Udyr - AoE dmg, single target nuke, self heal / self shield, Reliable stun
Gragas - AoE dmg, % dmg reduction, AoE slow, knockback
Singed - AoE dmg, AoE slow, Throw Back
Nunu - AoE dmg, Slow, Speed up ally
Mordekaiser - Shield, % dmg drain, AoE dmg
Malphite - Shield, Slow, AoE knockup, AoE attack slow
Blitzcrank - Grab, Knockup, AoE Silence
Chogath - AoE silence, AoE Knockup

Again, falls short of the others, who have more reason to focus.

Now I understand some say "Well then just play him caster". Inc second wall of text.

Annie - 2 AoE nukes, nuke, shield, reliable stun
Anivia - Nukes, 2 AoE nukes, stun, wall
Morgana - Nuke, AoE Stun nuke, Shield, magic resist reduction
Veigar - 2 Nukes, AoE nuke, AoE stun
Kassadin - Teleport, AoE nuke, Nuke silence
Karthus - AoE nuke, Nuke, AoE dmg, slow
Ryze - 2 Nuke, Snare
Fiddlesticks - AoE nuke silence, AoE nuke, drain, fear
Cho'gath - AoE silence, AoE knockup, Nuke

To be fair, if you were AP Cho'gath, you better be playing like AP Sion, AP Gragas, as an offtank having SOME survivability. Still, compared to others he falls short thats all. You may enjoy him. You may do well with him. All it is is that if you wanted more utility, you should be picking a different champ. Just because your champ is low, doesn't always mean they're terrible, all it means is theres always a better option then them.

Edit : And yes I realize that this is on the front page, but most people look at the tier list, see their champ is low, and rage. They only read the responses, rather then Elementz's full post.


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Polaritie

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08-20-2010

Technically, Anivia has two AoE nukes. Flash Frost is AoE.