Elementz 5v5 Tier List (Draft Mode)

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Kaye

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08-11-2010

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Originally Posted by Evil Weevil View Post
Veigar T2? He's better with the buffs, but that's a bit high for him IMO.

A great counter pick to AP heavy teams, but he seems more situational.
Galio.


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Elementz

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The Council

08-11-2010

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Elementz, I had a couple questions that are plenty pages back (while you were gone), so i'll restate them now.

First, regarding Katarina, I understand you moving her to tier 3 because of how situational she can be, but I was commenting on your comment about her 'not being a threat at any stage of the game.' I really disagree with this, because even without your ult, if you build her AD you can nail an entire team (sometimes) with a BB that places a healing debuff on all players AND does a significant amount of damage.

She is a great laner, amazing ganker, and pretty awesome in team fights imo. Even if you do have people saving stuns for DL, she will most likely get 1-3 seconds of it off due to clumping, slow reactions, etc. which is enough to deal considerable aoe damage and possible kill someone.

Second question is regarding Olaf. I feel that compared to champions like Master Yi ranked higher than him, he brings a lot more to the table. He has a snare that goes through minions that can 'help' with ganks, he can act as an initiator because with ult and W popped he can be very hard to kill, and he is an amazing anti-carry.

I know Yi can become unstoppable late game, but I definitely feel Olaf is out of place in tier 4.
Kats really not that strong in lane anymore. There are a tonne of champions that counter her now and the nerf just made it that much harder. Vs a real team they will save their stuns and time them to hit Kat almost perfectly. Thus making her deal significantly less overall DPS and making her that much worse. I think I may have had her a little high before and the nerf just made me realize that she really isn't as good as I thought she was.

Olaf is prolly a little low on my list. I'll consider moving him up a bit.


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Malvado

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08-11-2010

hey ele
why exactly are Blitz and Malph so low?
They both are great iniciators and can take a whole **** tons of hits
I just dont see how they fit in so low?


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Serpentongue

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08-11-2010

This is probably a stupid question, but why is Alistar in Tier 2? I've always assumed that he's very ignorable after his cooldowns are burned.


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Elementz

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The Council

08-11-2010

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hey ele
why exactly are Blitz and Malph so low?
They both are great iniciators and can take a whole **** tons of hits
I just dont see how they fit in so low?
Because Nasus, Garen, Udyr, Alistar, Amumu, Shen, Galio, etc.. are better tanks then they are. They aren't low because of being super terrible or anything like that. They are low because there are better overall choices then them.


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BloodLikeIce

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08-11-2010

I enjoy seeing/checking up on this tier list all the time. Def gunna help me when I hit 30!

Good work Elementz!


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Malvado

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08-11-2010

ahh i see
now just one more question
why is Teemo so low?
his shrooms are great scouters and can nitch a kill/assist or save someones life?


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Abedeus

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08-11-2010

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This is probably a stupid question, but why is Alistar in Tier 2? I've always assumed that he's very ignorable after his cooldowns are burned.
Because he can push a minion wave, heal everything around him every few seconds AND he deals the most damage to turrets in early stages, before Yi and other pushers have items to solo push a turret in 3 seconds.


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Cruzerthebruzer

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08-11-2010

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ahh i see
now just one more question
why is Teemo so low?
his shrooms are great scouters and can nitch a kill/assist or save someones life?
Lack of CC, lack of mobility (movequick easily disabled), lack of damage, won't hit many if any shrooms in a team fight etc.

Basically all his skills kinda suck.


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Wilczak

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08-12-2010

There was lot of question about anivia – why she isn’t tier 2 or 1, why annie is better etc. so I did some math – I calculated annie and anivia burst at lvl 6, 11 and 18, with and without ap. I also calculated how much damage you can deal in 10 seconds
Anivia
Q-flash frost
Damage: 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 +0.5 ap. You can double hit someone with it.
Cooldown: 13 / 12 / 11 / 10 / 9
E-frost bite
Damage: 55 / 85 / 115 / 145 / 175 +0.5 ap. Damage doubled when target is chilled
Cooldown: 5
R- glacial storm
Damage 80 / 120 / 160 +0.25 ap per second, channeled (but you can move / use skills when channeling)
Cooldown: 10
Annie
Q-disintegrate
Damage: 90 / 130 / 170 / 215 / 260 +0.6 ap
Cooldown: 4
E-incinerate
Damage: 85 / 145 / 205 / 165 / 325 +0.6 ap
Cooldown: 8
R-summon: tibbers
Damage: 200 / 325 / 450 + 0.7 ap + aoe dmg (idk how much, I think its like sunfire cape – 40 dmg) + 80 / 105 / 130 tibbers attack damage
Cooldown: 120

Annie has much higher damage from skills, but lower ap ratios than anivia. Also Cooldown on tibbers is high, but it’s almost always ready in team fight.

CARE! LOT OF NUMBERS HERE!

Burst damage:
Lvl6 0 ap:
Anivia – Q-1, E-3, R-1
60+60+115+115+160 (ulti, 2 seconds channel)= 510 damage
Annie – Q-1 W-3 R-1
90+205+200+80(tibbers aoe 2 seconds)+80(tibbers 1 attack)=655
At low level annie deals 145 more damage than anivia
Lvl 11, 100 ap:
Anivia: Q-4 E-5 R-1*
150+50+150+50+175+50+175+50+80+50=810+250=1060
Annie: Q-3 W-5 R-2
170+60+325+60+325+70+80+105=1005+190+1195
Still annie does more damage than anivia – 135 more
Lvl 11, 200 ap:
Anivia: 810+500=1310
Annie: 1005+380=1385
Still Annie does a bit more damage- just 75 more
Lvl 18 – 400 ap
Anivia: 180+200+180+200+175+200+175+200+320+200=1030+1000= 2030
Annie: 260+140+325+240+150+280+80+130=1245+760=2005
With 400 ap at level 18 anivia does a bit more damage – 25 more dmg
Lvl 18 – 600 ap
Anivia: 1030+1500=2530
1245+1140=2385
With 600 ap anivia does more damage-but this amount doesn’t matter-just 145
So overall annie has better burst than anivia – a bit more damage, and her combo is easier to make. However, anivia can do full combo every 10 seconds – annie every 120 seconds.

Damage done in 10 seconds ( same skill levels as above):
Lvl6, 0 ap:
Anivia ( 1 Q, 2 E, 10 seconds R): 60+60+115+115+115+115+800=1380
Annie (3Q, 2E, 1 R, 6 tibbers attacks, 10 seconds tibbers aoe): 90+90+90+205+205+200+400+480=1760
Annie does 380 more damage than anivia
Lvl 11, 0 ap:
Anivia: (2Q, 2E, 10 sec. R)=150+150+150+150+175+175+175+175+800=2300
Annie (3Q, 2E, 1 R, 6 tibbers attacks, 10 seconds tibbers aoe): 170+170+170+325+325+325+400+630=2515
Annie does 215 more damage than anivia
Lvl 11, 100 ap:
Anivia: 2300+650=2950
Annie: 2515+370=2885
With just 100 anivia does more damage – but it’s just 65
Lvl 11, 200 ap:
Anivia: 2300+1100=3400
Annie: 2515+740=3255
With 200 ap anivia does more dmg than annie – 145 more
lvl 18, 400 ap:
Anivia: 3220+2600=5820
Annie: 3980+1480=5460
Anivia does 360 more damage
Lvl 18, 600 ap:
Anivia: 3220+3900=7120
Annie: 3980+2220=6200
Anivia does 980 more damage with 600 ap.

*I usually put only one level in glacial storm – higher levels add just more damage, and cost more mana – it’s used mainly for slow, and combo with frost bite


So annie has higher burst – her damage comes from skills, not from ap (she isn't that item dependent like anivia) – anivia damage comes mainly from ap. It’s much harder to make full combo with anivia – but her skills has low Cooldown, so if you miss with one or two flash frost’s doesn’t hurt – missing with tibbers – hurts (but it’s not easy to miss with tibbers ;p).
Anivia has more utility - you can save allies or block enemies with crystalize, slow them with glacial storm or flash frost, and you can always save your stun for interrupting dangerous skills – death lotus, heart seeker strike, crow storm, absolute zero, etc. You can do same thing with annie – but waiting with tibbers for kat shunpo>death lotus combo can cost you team fight. And let me quote someone:

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Originally Posted by Volpes View Post
I've said it before and I'll say it again--Annie is a one-trick pony with Tibbers stun, but it's a **** good trick.
Anivia should be moved to bottom of tier 2 or at least top of tier 3.

PS – I know, my English is terrible, but I hope You understand everything. If I said something wrong – please tell me, and help me improve my English ;p