Dear Riot, are tanks no more?

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Lashimone

Junior Member

11-21-2013

"...Yasuo's huge bonus armor penetration buff, combined with the critical strike bonus from Way of the Wanderer, makes short work of even the tankiest of tanks."

Dear Riot,
While this isn't the first champion that would be able to steamroll over tankier champions, it is the first time I've seen the company outright state they can/will be easily defeated by an offensive type of champion. The defensive items and the tanks that would acquire them have already been nerfed and the most popular offensive champions have been "rebalanced". Which brings up the question, is the tank role and/or game play becoming obsolete in your future plans? Will there be any point in playing them if they continue to be easily countered and itemized against?


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CertainlyT

Champion Designer

11-21-2013
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A fair question. Tanks have always played an important role in teams built to group fight (that is to say, most compositions). We aren't concerned that they will be going the way of the dinosaur any time soon. As long as there are fragile high DPS champions to be protected, tanks will have a place in the game, both to protect their own carries and to lock down the enemy's.

Yasuo deals a ton of damage to tanks, just as does any AD carry, ranged or otherwise -- after all, sustained damage is required to take out high duratibility targets. That doesn't mean he steamrolls them, just that his interactions with tanks are higher stakes than, say, Renekton's. Being fragile, he can easily die to focus fire in a Curse of the Sad Mummy or during a single proc from Nautilus' passive.

Additionally, the portion of Yasuo's reveal you quoted is discussing Yasuo's ultimate. He gains a distinct advantage in fighting highly armored target after he casts his conditional ultimate, which requires him or an ally to knock a target airborne. Often he is only presented with an opportunity to do so well after the fight has begun. At this point, he should rightly have a target over his head and it is incumbent upon the enemy team to deal with him through CC or damage.


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Dragoon Feld

Senior Member

11-21-2013

urgot does melt tanky champs preatty fast.. so i would say that tank shredders has already existed in the game.


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Eyrgos

Senior Member

11-21-2013

CertainlyT, intentional-necro :lol:, any hints as to Yasuo's release skin???

I just f*cking love him so much... he's amazing... thank you.


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KevinDelMarr

Senior Member

11-21-2013

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Originally Posted by CertainlyT View Post
A fair question. Tanks have always played an important role in teams built to group fight (that is to say, most compositions). We aren't concerned that they will be going the way of the dinosaur any time soon. As long as there are fragile high DPS champions to be protected, tanks will have a place in the game, both to protect their own carries and to lock down the enemy's.

Yasuo deals a ton of damage to tanks, just as does any AD carry, ranged or otherwise -- after all, sustained damage is required to take out high duratibility targets. That doesn't mean he steamrolls them, just that his interactions with tanks are higher stakes than, say, Renekton's. Being fragile, he can easily die to focus fire in a Curse of the Sad Mummy or during a single proc from Nautilus' passive.

Additionally, the portion of Yasuo's reveal you quoted is discussing Yasuo's ultimate. He gains a distinct advantage in fighting highly armored target after he casts his conditional ultimate, which requires him or an ally to knock a target airborne. Often he is only presented with an opportunity to do so well after the fight has begun. At this point, he should rightly have a target over his head and it is incumbent upon the enemy team to deal with him through CC or damage.
Do Nami Q, and Vi Ult count as Airborne, since they both raise enemies off the guard? Not sure if they count as knock-ups


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AnathemaMonstrum

Senior Member

11-21-2013

Meanwhile, Vayne


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Weirdness123

Senior Member

11-21-2013

CertainlyT is he untargetable during his ult? Kind of a derp question but just trying to nail down my next main and his play patterns before he's released on PBE.


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Henry Plainview

Senior Member

11-21-2013

Speaking of tanks, I thought you guys were going to do something about Last Whisper and Void Staff being brokenly overpowered all season? I mention this because of the specific bonus distinction Yasuo has, which Morello seemed to say would apply to all percent pen.


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CertainlyT

Champion Designer

11-21-2013
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CertainlyT is he untargetable during his ult? Kind of a derp question but just trying to nail down my next main and his play patterns before he's released on PBE.
Yasuo is targetable during the R. Casting R in a team fight is a pretty big decision for him.


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Trolosaurus

Senior Member

11-21-2013

So he's basically a gigantic glass cannon. Kind of like Yi but less maneuverability and focusing more on raw damage output?


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