Journey Into The Freljord III: The Troll King

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Muranodo

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people say there opinions and get disliked for it -.-
look guys im not a fan with this remake either but you dont have to find comments that have people enjoying the remake and dislike it.
As I mentioned in another page, the upvote/downvote is to show agreement/dislike. There's a lot of fans without a way to outlet; there's silence on the issue. Anyone downvoted really shouldn't take it personally; it's the best way to show fans of the original simply haven't stopped caring on the issue.


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As I mentioned in another page, the upvote/downvote is to show agreement/dislike. There's a lot of fans without a way to outlet; there's silence on the issue. Anyone downvoted really shouldn't take it personally; it's the best way to show fans of the original simply haven't stopped caring on the issue.
pretty much this, looks like riot doesn't care at all either.

Kat remake kept pretty much everything, new lore that wasn't as good for some reason but still the same character.

Karma kept most of her kit, and her general appearance, her lore progressed her story to a new point, same character, evolved.

Trundle...is pretty much being deleted, they are trashing EVERYTHING, we don't know the kit but visually/aesthetically, his character, his story, EVERYTHING, even his traditional skin inst even a hint of his previous self.

In previous remakes riot said they wanted to keep what the fans, even if few, loved about their champion, or try to, while making them better. So why do this to trundle? Why remove everything his fans like about the character entirely? Trundle, like Karma, had his fans, hell I remember seeing him in the world tourneys too, so why are they pretty much punching his fans in the teeth and leaving them nothing?

The ice troll king should be a new character, this isn't like karma where is an evolved self, it literally Is an entirely different character, literally nothing has been offered to the previous trundle fans.

They said they wouldn't change heimer's appearance, or much because his fans liked the way he looks, they likely wont touch his lore either, so why treat trundle fans like this?


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Kyattsu

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03-30-2013

I don't mind remaking the character and the lore into something different. The new Trundle has a pretty good design for that base skin although it's obvious the only thing really kept over from old Trundle is the fact he has a big club.

The thing that irks me about this visual update though, is the fact that the traditional skin is so unlike the Trundle we know and love. Now massive and bulky, has a completely different face, and comes across as a completely different character dressed up as old Trundle. It seems the same to me as remaking a character like Teemo and just taking Teemos outfit and putting it on someone like Draven and saying that's now the traditional skin.

What's the point of making this Traditional skin if it carries none of the charm of the original design? Just feels like there'll be nothing left of the Trundle I like.


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Shadow Racoon

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03-30-2013

Bump.


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Muranodo

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Bump.
Probably a bit silly to bump. Most of the last few pages already covered all the dislike/what we feel Riot did wrong; it's good to see you so enthusiastic.


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Invisible Man

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03-30-2013

Trundle looks like he came from World of Warcraft.


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Shadow Racoon

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Probably a bit silly to bump. Most of the last few pages already covered all the dislike/what we feel Riot did wrong; it's good to see you so enthusiastic.
I just wanted to be sure that when Riot got back from their weekend at WeDontGiveaDamnVille, they might just see that people care, and bother to respond to us for the first time in several days. Wishful thinking I suppose.


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What’s this…? Is this… a troll?

What’s a troll doing in the Freljord? Are we… trolling you?

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On a more serious note, some of you will probably guess that if there’s a troll and he’s wielding a club… it’s Trundle! So we wanted to give you a taste of what’s to come, namely Trundle’s relaunch and his reimagining in the icy north.

While old Trundle certainly had a unique narrative and visual design, we always felt he was disconnected from the rest of the world. This inhibited the number of stories we could tell with Trundle and, well, we want to tell stories about him. Trundle’s upcoming changes include a gameplay update (more of a quality improvement than a rework – similar in scope to our Taric changes in [URL2="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeH8HzGi3sc&t=01m57s"]3.03[/URL2]), a new ice-themed aesthetic (if you couldn’t guess), and a new story that ties Trundle to the brewing conflict in the Freljord.

Stay tuned in the coming weeks, because we’ve got plans for Trundle – not to mention that Trundle has plans of his own!

You’ll have to wait to hear more, but here’s something to tide you over. [URL2="http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3224791"]As with Karma’s relaunch[/URL2], anyone who owns Trundle before his relaunch will get this Traditional Trundle (has a nice ring to it) skin for free:

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Another lore change? Unnecessary, just make the physical rework. In fact you ruined a couple of champions with those.


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Muranodo

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I just wanted to be sure that when Riot got back from their weekend at WeDontGiveaDamnVille, they might just see that people care, and bother to respond to us for the first time in several days. Wishful thinking I suppose.
I understand the passion. The first time I saw this thread I was at work; I could literally do nothing but respond slowly on my phone. And after that silence. Then Grumpy Monkey came and quickly exited.Then the only League news I heard was related to events and savoring in the positive fandom.

Just have to wait for the PBE release. Then wait again for the outcry about what we've assumed (unless they change things between then and now) to begin the conversation anew. I'm rather jaded there.


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Seems important to post these quotations here from Ironstylus. I somewhat regret advocating him as being more risky. He's again solely defending --- though, it makes sense, considering; I don't wish to badmouth him.

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You're posting in a thread about VU. What am I to assume? Also, I'm an artist and you're speaking in a thread completely referencing art. So, again, as far as art is concerned, what this thread is actually about, no, he hasn't been on any list.

I'm sorry that you feel Trundle isn't up your alley anymore. If you have an emotional attachment to a character we don't want to dismantle that, but we do want to improve characters where we can. We want to solidify theme and bring up the execution where the opportunity exists. This is going to ruffle feathers, and we've resigned ourselves to that. It's a heavy burden to bare, knowing you're going to really cheese off a very devoted base of players, but we feel it's in the greater good where we see fertile ground. We knew what we were signing up for though, and we expect a good share of negative feedback. So long as it's productive though, we're going to soak it up.

We're trying to do the what we can to increase appeal and solidify where we feel there's shaky foundation. It's going to come with its share of bruises, but in the end it should help our roster be stronger, more cohesive, and better executed.
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You can call me out, it comes with the job. Truth is, it's not about popularity, it's about quality and cohesion. Character roster is becoming more important in terms of those qualities. That's why many things are fair game.

Trundle wasn't fulfilling a fantasy appropriately, or so we decided. Honestly, that's more Morello territory as he has a more solid opinion. However, I agree with him on that level. Fantasy fulfillment and the psychology of a play style/roleplaying of the character's mentality are things that were lacking in Trundle, or so we felt.

This is a subject more appropriately addressed by people who are not me. I don't really have a heavy an opinion as others do, nor do I espouse to have all the detailed math behind the scenes.

Urgot won't go anywhere, but he could use a polish pass to improve the quality of his model, animations and particles.
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Considering the ice theme overhaul it felt natural to go with his current hue and accent colors.
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Not much to sad but greater sadness and disgust. I also find most of the arguments for it to be subpar and pathetic.