Lux AP scale bad really?

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RoccoSacco

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10-21-2010

In most of the Lux is UP post one of the more common complaints I see is that Lux has bad AP scaling. So I though I would run some numbers. Keep in mind that this does not take into account DOT, AOE, cooldowns and if its a shield, heal or damage. Its just how much extra does the champ get from 1 AP.

[Zilean ] [ .9 0 0 3.0 ] [3.9]
[Soraka ] [ .25 1.0 .6 1.3 ] [3.15]
[Morg ] [ .9 .2 .8 .9 ] [2.8]
[Janna ] [ .75 .8 .9 .175 ] [2.625]
[Vigar ] [ .6 1.0 0 1.0 ] [2.6]
[Swain ] [ .9 .7 .8 .2 ] [2.6]
[Tric ] [ .9 .5 1.0 .2 ] [2.6]
[Lux ] [ .7 .3 .6 .75 ] [2.35]
[Ezreal ] [ 0 .7 .75 .8 ] [2.25]
[Anni ] [ .6 .6 .2 .7 ] [2.1]
[Kennen ] [ .66 .45 .55 .33 ] [1.99]
[Sona ] [ .6 .5 0 .7 ] [1.8]
[Anivia ] [ 1.0 0 .5 0.25 ] [1.75]
[Kayle ] [ .8 .5 .3 0 ] [1.6]
[Karthus ] [ .6 0 .25 .7 ] [1.55]
[Ryze ] [ .45 .2 .38 0 ] [1.03]

These are some of the other casters and support champs seems like she is just middle of the road to me.


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SykoAzn

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10-21-2010

Pretty sure her passive ignite is also party of her ability to do some nasty damage.


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MysteryLordddddd

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10-21-2010

Anivia has two 1:1, and a potentially infinite ratio on her R.


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Heroine

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10-21-2010

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Originally Posted by Radion Plus View Post
Anivia has two 1:1, and a potentially infinite ratio on her R.
not really cause it has upkeep

Also yeah her 2 abilities essentially have a 1:1 since they do double damage (q if you run it through and then explode, and her glacier spike when they are chilled).


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Heroine

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10-21-2010

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not really cause it has upkeep

Also yeah her 2 abilities essentially have a 1:1 since they do double damage (q if you run it through and then explode, and her glacier spike when they are chilled).
@op
Also this doesnt show anything.

Some abilies are AoE and thus scale better. IE anivias ice ball has some of the best scaling in the game, 1:1 on a single target and 1:2 on AoE
woops double post.


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AlexT3HGR8

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10-21-2010

Your forgetting that all of luxes abilitys are ap.

Some of other champs like say ezreal have ad scaling skills, or skills that dont scale and just have an on hit effect (vigar), or have skills that hit many many times like swains ult or morganas pool.

All of luxes abilities are ap scaling and dont have that multiplied by ticks, she is mid table but should be further up.

This also does not take into account the base damage of a skill, or its intended use.

The only character she can really be compared to in your way is morgana, who you show destroys her in terms of ratios.


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RoccoSacco

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10-21-2010

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Originally Posted by SykoAzn View Post
Pretty sure her passive ignite is also party of her ability to do some nasty damage.
Does not scale from AP


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Nybass

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10-21-2010

To be honest, keep the others the same, but give back her old AP ratio with her ult (0.9) and I'll be happy.

Either that, or give her passive CDR back with W. Failing all else, passive igniting also on spell hit would go a long way, if Shurelia's idea would go through.

Still, without any buffs, its not as if she's unplayable like Swain was and Urgot still is.


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RoccoSacco

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Originally Posted by AlexT3HGR8 View Post
your forgetting that all of luxes abilitys are ap

alot of other champs like say ezreal have ad scaling skills, or skills that dont scale and just have an on hit effect (vigar), or have skills that hit many many times like swains ult or morganas pool.

All of luxes abilities are ap scaling and dont have that multiplied by ticks, she is mid table but should be further up.
The comment that people make is that she scales bad with AP. This is not a chart of damage output just AP scaling.


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Azuredragon653

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10-21-2010

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Originally Posted by ImNotSure View Post
The comment that people make is that she scales bad with AP. This is not a chart of damage output just AP scaling.
Multiple ticks still count when dealing with scaling.

Morgana's soil ticks 5 times at .2 ratio each time. It's not a 1.0 ratio, but it's also not a .2 ratio. Generally, it's pretty safe to take the average of the max and the lowest, meaning it would be .6.


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