So, about that Karma leak...

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Healurownbum

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03-17-2013

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Originally Posted by DemiluniS View Post
omg I don't wanna say this but most of the "karma fans" here are just dumb! the only things they taking away from her is her stupid passive and aoe heal and replacing it with an aoe shield. she still can aoe slow,shield allies, speed up allies, she got her mantra. on top of that she recieving a root and an aoe shield as a replacement to her heal! stop ****ing crying
And how is a remark like this at all usefull? And sure they put all the power in to her R/E there for removing all choice making either the spell extreemly OP or just abt right either way we have no more choice in teamfights unless we are going to be selfish and nuke. Which btw R/E also does.

I loved Karma cause i had to pick i had to think before doing something. I had to adjust myself to what was needed. Now i get to just spam R/E in teamfights yay.....

And srsly if you cant stand polite by all means there is the door *points* Leave now.


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The5lacker

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03-17-2013

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Originally Posted by Ginrai Enerjak View Post
When you said "Neither does Wukong", that came across to me as saying: "Other champs do that, so it's fine that way". You continued in your post to suggest that even when it is active, that her passive was not a real passive, which was your own argument. The comments about Jayce and Elise didn't seem to help prove your point about her not having a passive, but the comparison to these similar champions gave me a good example to contrast Karma's passive in the absence of enemies against.

-Ginrai Enerjak
Allow me to explain this because this seems to be hard to grasp.

You said that Karma doesn't have a passive when not in the presence of enemy champions. I said that Wukong doesn't have a passive when not in the presence of other champions. Then I said that THAT WASN'T THE POINT.

I then pointed out Jayce and Elise's passives. Jayce's passive is a speed boost when he switches between his two kits. In addition to the effect of changing kits and getting the on-hit boost for his new form, Jayce ALSO gets a speed boost. Elise's passive charges up spiders in her human form and unleashes them in her spider form. In addition to getting bonus armor, magic resist, and on-hit magic damage from her spider form, Elise ALSO gets small minions to assist her.

Karma's passive has no such bonus. Karma doesn't even have a passive. Mantra has its cooldown reduced on-hit and on-spell-hit. That is a function of Mantra. That is not a Passive. A passive has to do more than just buff a single ability. Shyvana's passive encompasses on-hit buffs for ALL of her abilities. Kat and Skarner get their cooldowns reduced on ALL of their abilities. There is not a single champion in the game who has a passive who's only purpose is to allow one of their abilities to be usable. None. And THAT is why Karma's passive is bad: It's just a function of one of her other abilities.


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chumbler

Senior Member

03-17-2013

I swear, there could be a champion who literally does not have any more skills than a passive and a single normal ability and people would whine about that champion being remade and claim anyone who says that kit is bad just wasn't good enough for that champions ~high skill requirement~.

Also, people, please stop signing your posts.


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BigBlackJester

Member

03-17-2013

I do say... Is this our first black champion!?! *Le gasp*..
R.I.P. Karma fans..


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Coldeon

Member

03-17-2013

Could any Red tells us what kind of AA is she getting? I'm guessing a beam coming from the Twin Dragons thing, that would be awesome O:


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ValkronTheTurtle

Junior Member

03-17-2013

I loved the old karma.
That said I am more then certain that I will love this new karma more.

What karma lost in the rework was the passive, the heal, and the fans.

She is gaining a AOE shield (so stop crying about the heal loss), more reliable mass slows, more reliable mass ally movement speed buffs, increased range, a root (most people should be ecstatic about this o.O) and more reliable damage outputs.

On her losing multiple mantras, we cant really comment on this at all.
Reason being is that the old karma with mantras not stacked was useless (no heal and not really any damage either)
The new karma wont have that issue, so your lane partner/team members wont have to worry about this.
While that added a game play element that was truly unique, not having to be 100% reliant on it will most definitely make her stronger.
And we don't know the numbers or cds on anything, it is quite possible that with lvl 4 manta and high cdr that she can easily pop 2-3 mantra'ed spells in each team fight.

So in my opinion we should stop being so negative about this until she hits the PBE.

As far as the fans are concerned, i wouldnt mind at all if they were added to some miscellaneous animation, but fighting with fans is gone, live with it

As I imagine her now, she is like Lux combined with LuLu ^_^


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DemiluniS

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03-17-2013

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Originally Posted by Healurownbum View Post
And how is a remark like this at all usefull? And sure they put all the power in to her R/E there for removing all choice making either the spell extreemly OP or just abt right either way we have no more choice in teamfights unless we are going to be selfish and nuke. Which btw R/E also does.

I loved Karma cause i had to pick i had to think before doing something. I had to adjust myself to what was needed. Now i get to just spam R/E in teamfights yay.....

And srsly if you cant stand polite by all means there is the door *points* Leave now.
you had to think when you had 2 mantra charges? one to use on shield and nuke and the second is to heal teammates if neccesary, I doubt if anyone though about using a mantra charge on her ****ing W. now she has a real ultimate and she really need to think how to use it! you need a good team survivability? mantra E, need to survive a bruiser jumping on you use matnra on W, need extra damage use mantra on Q, you seems like one who just like to QQ without reason


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Featherfox

Member

03-17-2013

2 pages ago I asked a question about why people think Karma doesn't need a rework. I present evidence. So far, no replies.


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TheEnygma

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03-17-2013

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Originally Posted by chumbler View Post
I swear, there could be a champion who literally does not have any more skills than a passive and a single normal ability and people would whine about that champion being remade and claim anyone who says that kit is bad just wasn't good enough for that champions ~high skill requirement~.

Also, people, please stop signing your posts.
No

-TheEnygma


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Seantkingz

Junior Member

03-17-2013

Omg a black champion !!!good job riot lol