Demacia Needs Heroes

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Raygr

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Stampede EU View Post
They aren't fickle, they are the "I want to spend mah RP on boobs, Riot" side of the forums that got shown the door and the boot. Good riddance.
More like people wanted Quinn to look more like a ranger/tracker then a knight. Can't assume everyone is about the boobs now. I was one of them but as I look over it and think on it. I'm for this new look. If anything this save Quinn from looking like one of Ashes skins.


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Flames of Rage

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02-13-2013

Upvoted for Appleseed reference. ♥


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Riair

Senior Member

02-13-2013

I looked at Quinn's crossbow, and for some reason I think/believe that Demacia seems to be going in a slight Art Deco direction when it comes to aesthetics, or is that me just over analyzing?


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Vsin

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02-13-2013

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LOL go take a look at jarvis bro and tell me again how the 4 very small bits of metal showing on her are bulkier than his dragon horn covered full body armor
Jarvan is top heavy, Quinn is bottom heavy. And Quinn seems to have as much of a top-down read as Crimson Elite Riven, what with the wide shoulderpads and the thick perch.

Plus, while Jarvan has huge shoulderpads...his armour isn't actually that bulky.


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baronvonross

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02-13-2013

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I looked at Quinn's crossbow, and for some reason I think/believe that Demacia seems to be going in a slight Art Deco direction when it comes to aesthetics, or is that me just over analyzing?

If there's anything I've learned, there is NEVER too much analyzing. Keep it up and don't dull it, it's WAY more valuable than it seems now.


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Hamburger Hooves

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by IronStylus View Post
Cross-post from another thread...

Some quick context:

Quinn used to be a guy, then I turned her into a woman. That woman is a ranger, she's prepared for a fight, she's wearing thicker armor but not plate aside from key places where she would have to interact with an enemy's face.

Quinn was not designed to be in a skin-tight outfit. That was tried, and look, again, like a woman with a cape, in a skin tight outfit, which had been worked to death by Zyra, Syndra, Elise, and Diana. She does not care about looking feminine, she cares about utility. Baggy fatigues which have hardened pockets, knee pads to dig into the ground to take a shot, no exposed flesh to take a graze.

A functional Demacian helmet which adds sleekness is a design choice. It's Valkyrie, it's a motif, and it's a visual landmark. She has a gauntlet reminiscent of a falconer's glove which is armored because Valor has armor on his talons, to again, interact with an enemy's face. He can do damage to even thick leather.

Her hood is collapsed, she has essentially a themed parka with a bird motif, Functional but themed.

She has what equates to kevlar, thickened material able to resist a blade. She has Demacian signifiers all over her, and bird motifs worked in. She is functional but fantasy.

Regarding femininity, I was called out long ago when Sejuani released for making the reasoning that Sejuani might wear less clothing so that "you can tell she's female." That is an invalid argument and a sad excuse to design a particular way. A ranger, an elite, doesn't care whether you can tell they are a female or a male. They are interested in getting the job done, and having the gear to do so. We gave Quinn that gear and did not embrace the traditional route of the tight-clothed standard fantasy ranger. She's a new ranger for a new time. She hits the Demacian notes but plays off of them. That is the rational behind similar armor themes to Garen and Jarvan. That's how we establish she's in the military proper, but not standard in uniform.

For reference, take a look ad Deunan Knute from Appleseed. She has no boob or breastplates. She is completely covered with a half-helm. She has short hair. She is a bit more masculine, that's the goal. She is not a waif, but she is agile. She has small breasts, a tighter frame, but is fairly androgynous. That's what we wanted to portray, and I feel we hit that.

Honestly, I feel I owe no excuses. You know my history, you know my goals. I design the women in armor. I do not design the over-sexualized, the seductress, or the siren. Different artists gravitate towards different styles and themes. When this champion came along, I opted to work on it because I felt I could bring a different take. Initially, she did start out as a traditional fantasy ranger, and actually was melee at the time. However, that was not the route we wanted to take. That was standard, it was conventional, and it was boring. I drove away from it and made something rugged in the new direction we're trying to take our style. Fantasy, but not traditional fantasy.

This is my take. If you don't like it that's perfectly fine. I, like all artists, design with particular design and form language as my signature. You might have noticed Zyra, Syndra and Elise were designed by the same artist. Sexy bodies, integrated clothing/biology, dark females. Same with artist for Nautilus, Ziggs and Lulu. Friendly shapes, opposing colors, offbeat characters. Just like game designers have similar flavor to their champions across the board artists have similar common expressions.

If you want a traditional archer, with a traditional fantasy get-up, with a traditional build, and a traditional design where female form expression trumps practically fighting the fight, I am not your guy, and I'm glad to admit that. That's my strength, that why I work on what I work on.

I do not abide by the established or the expected, neither does Riot on the whole. It is not our job to abide, it's our job to challenge the convention and question traditional execution.

Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for understanding where we're coming from. This isn't just me. This is part of something larger. Pendulums will swing, you'll get your stripped down heroes. Quinn is not one of them and we're proud of that.
Are we going to get a sneak peek at her first skin as now that her default is out? (I kinda want to know before I spend any more rp) Don't get me worng, I love Quinn, and plan on getting her, I just want to know if her skin would be worth the bundle or not (To me anyways)


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IronStylus

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02-13-2013
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Originally Posted by Riair View Post
I looked at Quinn's crossbow, and for some reason I think/believe that Demacia seems to be going in a slight Art Deco direction when it comes to aesthetics, or is that me just over analyzing?
You're doing just the right amount of analysis.

Demacia needs form language and motifs that aren't just generic medieval. Champions aren't the only things that will evolve. The city-states are going to take on more distinct looks as well that deviate from traditional fantasy.

Strap in.


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Solari Brigadier

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02-13-2013

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You're doing just the right amount of analysis.

Demacia needs form language and motifs that aren't just generic medieval. Champions aren't the only things that will evolve. The city-states are going to take on more distinct looks as well that deviate from traditional fantasy.

Strap in.
Art Deco is my favorite kind of Deco.


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AbsolutionJailor

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02-13-2013

I love this. All of this. IronStylus, you have nothing to apologize for. You have delivered exactly what those who know (and hope to understand) you have come to expect:

A bad-ass female who focuses more on being bad-ass than female.

Quinn is an instant purchase for sure. I can't wait to see what you have planned for the launch skin.


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Pius Leviticus

Senior Member

02-13-2013

the crossbow is awesome, it reminds me of the crossbow from Van Helsing
i mean, the movie was meh, but come on... that crossbow was beast