Demacia Needs Heroes

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BerserkInferno

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02-13-2013

Stylus, I love you man.


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Wheeliam

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02-13-2013

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I don't care if a chick is wearing skin tight leather pants or a Gundam box. What I do care about is the dissonance between what she says she is and what she's wearing says she is.

She says she's a scout, yet her armour actually manages to look more over the top and bulkier than JARVAN'S armour. Heck, I'll throw the colour scheme aside because a) we can call it uniform and b) I like it, but the sheer bulk of that armour looks like even superhumans would collapse of exhaustion after trekking through the rough for more than an hour.

In particular, those leggings look useless as actual protection. It's as though someone got the idea to hypersexualize her legs halfway through development, and then IronStylus stepped in and made her put pants on. That's not protection - that's just artificially widening her thighs because why the hell not. Those leggings also seem as physics defying as half the armour sets in TERA because I have no idea how those plates/pads stay on. And I haven't even got to that absurdly heavy looking perch for Valor...
LOL go take a look at jarvis bro and tell me again how the 4 very small bits of metal showing on her are bulkier than his dragon horn covered full body armor


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Ferr3t

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02-13-2013

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If you want a traditional archer, with a traditional fantasy get-up, with a traditional build, and a traditional design where female form expression trumps practically fighting the fight, I am not your guy, and I'm glad to admit that. That's my strength, that why I work on what I work on.
Parrot, you have just secured your position as my favorite Rioter of all time.


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Loganos

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02-13-2013

I come pages late, Mister S, but will she be a lefty as pictured ? And will her skin be somehow linked to the futuristic trend?

Not that mind for either, but as a huge fan of fantasy rather than science-fiction, despite my confidence in Riot's artstyle, I think I should prepare myself mentally if that's the case.


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Gharzek

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02-13-2013

I ****ing love you IronSylus.


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Signature13

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02-13-2013

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Cross-post from another thread...

Some quick context:

Quinn used to be a guy, then I turned her into a woman. That woman is a ranger, she's prepared for a fight, she's wearing thicker armor but not plate aside from key places where she would have to interact with an enemy's face.

Quinn was not designed to be in a skin-tight outfit. That was tried, and look, again, like a woman with a cape, in a skin tight outfit, which had been worked to death by Zyra, Syndra, Elise, and Diana. She does not care about looking feminine, she cares about utility. Baggy fatigues which have hardened pockets, knee pads to dig into the ground to take a shot, no exposed flesh to take a graze.

A functional Demacian helmet which adds sleekness is a design choice. It's Valkyrie, it's a motif, and it's a visual landmark. She has a gauntlet reminiscent of a falconer's glove which is armored because Valor has armor on his talons, to again, interact with an enemy's face. He can do damage to even thick leather.

Her hood is collapsed, she has essentially a themed parka with a bird motif, Functional but themed.

She has what equates to kevlar, thickened material able to resist a blade. She has Demacian signifiers all over her, and bird motifs worked in. She is functional but fantasy.

Regarding femininity, I was called out long ago when Sejuani released for making the reasoning that Sejuani might wear less clothing so that "you can tell she's female." That is an invalid argument and a sad excuse to design a particular way. A ranger, an elite, doesn't care whether you can tell they are a female or a male. They are interested in getting the job done, and having the gear to do so. We gave Quinn that gear and did not embrace the traditional route of the tight-clothed standard fantasy ranger. She's a new ranger for a new time. She hits the Demacian notes but plays off of them. That is the rational behind similar armor themes to Garen and Jarvan. That's how we establish she's in the military proper, but not standard in uniform.

For reference, take a look ad Deunan Knute from Appleseed. She has no boob or breastplates. She is completely covered with a half-helm. She has short hair. She is a bit more masculine, that's the goal. She is not a waif, but she is agile. She has small breasts, a tighter frame, but is fairly androgynous. That's what we wanted to portray, and I feel we hit that.

Honestly, I feel I owe no excuses. You know my history, you know my goals. I design the women in armor. I do not design the over-sexualized, the seductress, or the siren. Different artists gravitate towards different styles and themes. When this champion came along, I opted to work on it because I felt I could bring a different take. Initially, she did start out as a traditional fantasy ranger, and actually was melee at the time. However, that was not the route we wanted to take. That was standard, it was conventional, and it was boring. I drove away from it and made something rugged in the new direction we're trying to take our style. Fantasy, but not traditional fantasy.

This is my take. If you don't like it that's perfectly fine. I, like all artists, design with particular design and form language as my signature. You might have noticed Zyra, Syndra and Elise were designed by the same artist. Sexy bodies, integrated clothing/biology, dark females. Same with artist for Nautilus, Ziggs and Lulu. Friendly shapes, opposing colors, offbeat characters. Just like game designers have similar flavor to their champions across the board artists have similar common expressions.

If you want a traditional archer, with a traditional fantasy get-up, with a traditional build, and a traditional design where female form expression trumps practically fighting the fight, I am not your guy, and I'm glad to admit that. That's my strength, that why I work on what I work on.

I do not abide by the established or the expected, neither does Riot on the whole. It is not our job to abide, it's our job to challenge the convention and question traditional execution.

Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for understanding where we're coming from. This isn't just me. This is part of something larger. Pendulums will swing, you'll get your stripped down heroes. Quinn is not one of them and we're proud of that.

Lol, only an hour or two ago this post had over 60 downvotes. God people are fickle.


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ZephyBlaze77

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02-13-2013

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Lol, only an hour or two ago this post had over 60 downvotes. God people are fickle.
More like there are only 60 *******s on the board compared to the 100000000000 intelligent players on the board.


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Stampede EU

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02-13-2013

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Lol, only an hour or two ago this post had over 60 downvotes. God people are fickle.
They aren't fickle, they are the "I want to spend mah RP on boobs, Riot" side of the forums that got shown the door and the boot. Good riddance.


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XElement

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02-13-2013

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Lol, only an hour or two ago this post had over 60 downvotes. God people are fickle.
Idk why, I thought the champion looked amazing.
I loved her design, I thought she looked great. I liked everything about her at first glance.
I thought she had a still nice sexy figure while looking badass (after all she is dressed for war) and had a beautiful face.
Plus the bird looks great and her armor! Love her armor, thought that was nicely done.


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Evangelene

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02-13-2013

Well said parrot! Everyone has a different style, i for one cant draw males very well because i'm used to drawing very shapely women, but that's my art/ design style. I really like this design because it's very down to earth with the fact that she has no need to be overly feminine! And hey, my favorite character is mf! That doesn't mean i can't enjoy a completely different styled character!
Definitely won me over for you being my favorite rioter <3
Do you have a Deviantart account? I've seen a few rioters on there