Anyone else a bit dissapointed with Quinn's design?

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StationaryObject

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Detahmaio View Post
That's what it comes down to how the armor is DESIGNED. Females can wear bulky armor and can still be a elite fighter. With Quinn you are playing guess who basically. If the hips wasn't big and the circles on the chest area wasn't clear it would be a man.
Because when you think of a ranger...
You totally always know what *** they are because their *** TOTALLY matters.

Guyz.
The fact she doesn't fit into societies average expectations of females, DOESN'T mean that she NEEDS to look female.
No one HONESTLY cares what *** she is. And you shouldn't.
You just want to see the stereotypical attire for females in games and when someone goes outside of your expectations, you get mad and want your little box back.
IronStylus is reminding you that there are many types of females and that they don't always look like feminine.


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CynicalGiant

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Chibodee Crocket View Post
This. Someone else who seems to have noticed. All of his champion designs are his wife.
He designed Skarner. I dont think Skarner is his wife.


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LightEcho

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Bakabridget View Post
This would have been a good release skin but not her default. It doesn't really fit with her lore.
Pretty much this. It seems way too decorative to me.


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Anrui

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by IronStylus View Post
Some quick context:

Quinn used to be a guy, then I turned her into a woman. That woman is a ranger, she's prepared for a fight, she's wearing thicker armor but not plate aside from key places where she would have to interact with an enemy's face.

Quinn was not designed to be in a skin-tight outfit. That was tried, and look, again, like a woman with a cape, in a skin tight outfit, which had been worked to death by Zyra, Syndra, Elise, and Diana. She does not care about looking feminine, she cares about utility. Baggy fatigues which have hardened pockets, knee pads to dig into the ground to take a shot, no exposed flesh to take a graze.

A functional Demacian helmet which adds sleekness is a design choice. It's Valkyrie, it's a motif, and it's a visual landmark. She has a gauntlet reminiscent of a falconer's glove which is armored because Valor has armor on his talons, to again, interact with an enemy's face. He can do damage to even thick leather.

Her hood is collapsed, she has essentially a themed parka with a bird motif, Functional but themed.

She has what equates to kevlar, thickened material able to resist a blade. She has Demacian signifiers all over her, and bird motifs worked in. She is functional but fantasy.

Regarding femininity, I was called out long ago when Sejuani released for making the reasoning that Sejuani might wear less clothing so that "you can tell she's female." That is an invalid argument and a sad excuse to design a particular way. A ranger, an elite, doesn't care whether you can tell they are a female or a male. They are interested in getting the job done, and having the gear to do so. We gave Quinn that gear and did not embrace the traditional route of the tight-clothed standard fantasy ranger. She's a new ranger for a new time. She hits the Demacian notes but plays off of them. That is the rational behind similar armor themes to Garen and Jarvan. That's how we establish she's in the military proper, but not standard in uniform.

For reference, take a look ad Deunan Knute from Appleseed. She has no boob or breastplates. She is completely covered with a half-helm. She has short hair. She is a bit more masculine, that's the goal. She is not a waif, but she is agile. She has small breasts, a tighter frame, but is fairly androgynous. That's what we wanted to portray, and I feel we hit that.

Honestly, I feel I owe no excuses. You know my history, you know my goals. I design the women in armor. I do not design the over-sexualized, the seductress, or the siren. Different artists gravitate towards different styles and themes. When this champion came along, I opted to work on it because I felt I could bring a different take. Initially, she did start out as a traditional fantasy ranger, and actually was melee at the time. However, that was not the route we wanted to take. That was standard, it was conventional, and it was boring. I drove away from it and made something rugged in the new direction we're trying to take our style. Fantasy, but not traditional fantasy.

This is my take. If you don't like it that's perfectly fine. I, like all artists, design with particular design and form language as my signature. You might have noticed Zyra, Syndra and Elise were designed by the same artist. Sexy bodies, integrated clothing/biology, dark females. Same with artist for Nautilus, Ziggs and Lulu. Friendly shapes, opposing colors, offbeat characters. Just like game designers have similar flavor to their champions across the board artists have similar common expressions.

If you want a traditional archer, with a traditional fantasy get-up, with a traditional build, and a traditional design where female form expression trumps practically fighting the fight, I am not your guy, and I'm glad to admit that. That's my strength, that why I work on what I work on.

I do not abide by the established or the expected, neither does Riot on the whole. It is not our job to abide, it's our job to challenge the convention and question traditional execution.

Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for understanding where we're coming from. This isn't just me. This is part of something larger. Pendulums will swing, you'll get your stripped down heroes. Quinn is not one of them and we're proud of that.
Thank you. I love her design so much (I also am I huge fan of Vi's design as well as Shyvana's Darkflame skin in particular). I'm not sure if you designed Vi or not, but either way I love Quinn's design. Job well done!


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Attilian

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02-13-2013

I'm not reading this whole thread. Why did parrot get down votes so hard?


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StationaryObject

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Attilian View Post
I'm not reading this whole thread. Why did parrot get down votes so hard?
People don't like the fact she's not a typical feminine female and so they are expressing their narrow minded views about the topic by downvoting him.


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Adultratedhydra

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by topgunLT1 View Post
so according to u , all 7 billion humans in this planet where their own unique clothing with not a single similarity in style even if they cme frm the same place or r related to the same group.
Seriously this is y designers has to go through tough times when designing a champ and in the end the ppl say that it just looks the same as other champs , wihout even thinking for a bit.
ZZZzzzzz and these same ppl dont have problems in listening to music that basically ****s the same meaning out in different words or in different language (the reason y i dont listen to music since it doesnt fit my logic) .

What.

OT:
Love the design. now to see what her kit is.


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Telegmo

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02-13-2013

I happen to love her. People complaining about her weapon seem to forget that we have like a dozen sword users in this game. Her look is fantastic, except maybe the too bulky pants, but until I see an official art and model, I won't fully judge. I look forward to her kit preview and how Valor comes into play.


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Shadeykris

Senior Member

02-13-2013

Ok, I dont get this whole thread.

Example: I don't like Thresh. He doesn't appeal to me at all. But just because I don't like it, doesn't mean EVERYONE doesn't like it.

The difference is that I don't expect every single champion to be for ME personally. Don't like it? Wait for the next one!

I don't want to play Thresh, or Janna, or Urgot, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist. Variety is good. Options are good. There should be sexy monster ladies, seductive sirens, plate-wearing red headed bullies, AND androgynous assassins.

For you people who want a sexy female champ... you have a big pile of them to choose from. It's not like you're sitting here going "where all the sexy ladies at?!?". Have a look around.

IronStylus, thanks for speaking up, anyway.


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StonerSundays

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Attilian View Post
I'm not reading this whole thread. Why did parrot get down votes so hard?
Because we don't like the way Quin looks in Leona's Armor.