Anyone else a bit dissapointed with Quinn's design?

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Hallows Evelynn

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Detahmaio View Post
she has curves in her armor and her face is soft looks like a female.
lol no her face is not soft, and the curves is the design of her armor, unless u really think leona is that bulky as a female under that armor....


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Commander Olrox

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02-13-2013

Why do people think rangers need to wear skimpy stuff? i have NEVER seen a ranger go barely clothed. An example is from my favorite ranger book:
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/phot...6-1280-800.jpg

He is fully clothed, hood, leather, and so is quinn.


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Vsin

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02-13-2013

Y'know what I'm really disappointed by?

ANOTHER ADC WITH A STUPID HAT. Seriously, name me a single female ADC who doesn't have some sort of outlandish headgear.


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StationaryObject

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Ballistixz View Post
its not the fact of whether or not she should or shouldnt be a man. its what they look like. get rid of the boob plate and would u have honestly thought she was a girl? if so you are lying through your teeth.
Yes.
I know she's a female.
Because she has many feminines traits outside of her bust.

Plus, they say she's a female. So she's a female.
Just because she doesn't fit YOUR idea of what a female should look like doesn't mean she isn't a female.
YOU need to understand there are MANY different types of females.

This is one of them. Get Used To It.


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Melancholy Exile

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by Eletale View Post
The problem Riot has here is the very same nintendo had with Metroid Other M. You present information to the players, you make them think of their own vision of how the character is, through her background and achivements, and then present the official one as the complete opposite of what was expected.
Unfortunately for you, people have imagination.
I'd actually say my own perspective falls a little near this. While I certainly have more than a few issues with the actual design of Quinn's armour and equipment, I'd say the crux of my complaint is that she looks absolutely nothing like I had expected her to. My interest in Quinn has really waned dramatically from the first two pages of her preview (Which actually inspired me to make a thread thanking IronStylus for his efforts) to the point where I honestly can't look at her without seeing a wealth of missed opportunities.

Quinn really just isn't the champion I had hoped she would be.


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IS13613a993e2bf3fac1073

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by IronStylus View Post
Some quick context:

Quinn used to be a guy, then I turned her into a woman. That woman is a ranger, she's prepared for a fight, she's wearing thicker armor but not plate aside from key places where she would have to interact with an enemy's face.

Quinn was not designed to be in a skin-tight outfit. That was tried, and look, again, like a woman with a cape, in a skin tight outfit, which had been worked to death by Zyra, Syndra, Elise, and Diana. She does not care about looking feminine, she cares about utility. Baggy fatigues which have hardened pockets, knee pads to dig into the ground to take a shot, no exposed flesh to take a graze.

A functional Demacian helmet which adds sleekness is a design choice. It's Valkyrie, it's a motif, and it's a visual landmark. She has a gauntlet reminiscent of a falconer's glove which is armored because Valor has armor on his talons, to again, interact with an enemy's face. He can do damage to even thick leather.

Her hood is collapsed, she has essentially a themed parka with a bird motif, Functional but themed.

She has what equates to kevlar, thickened material able to resist a blade. She has Demacian signifiers all over her, and bird motifs worked in. She is functional but fantasy.

Regarding femininity, I was called out long ago when Sejuani released for making the reasoning that Sejuani might wear less clothing so that "you can tell she's female." That is an invalid argument and a sad excuse to design a particular way. A ranger, an elite, doesn't care whether you can tell they are a female or a male. They are interested in getting the job done, and having the gear to do so. We gave Quinn that gear and did not embrace the traditional route of the tight-clothed standard fantasy ranger. She's a new ranger for a new time. She hits the Demacian notes but plays off of them. That is the rational behind similar armor themes to Garen and Jarvan. That's how we establish she's in the military proper, but not standard in uniform.

For reference, take a look ad Deunan Knute from Appleseed. She has no boob or breastplates. She is completely covered with a half-helm. She has short hair. She is a bit more masculine, that's the goal. She is not a waif, but she is agile. She has small breasts, a tighter frame, but is fairly androgynous. That's what we wanted to portray, and I feel we hit that.

Honestly, I feel I owe no excuses. You know my history, you know my goals. I design the women in armor. I do not design the over-sexualized, the seductress, or the siren. Different artists gravitate towards different styles and themes. When this champion came along, I opted to work on it because I felt I could bring a different take. Initially, she did start out as a traditional fantasy ranger, and actually was melee at the time. However, that was not the route we wanted to take. That was standard, it was conventional, and it was boring. I drove away from it and made something rugged in the new direction we're trying to take our style. Fantasy, but not traditional fantasy.

This is my take. If you don't like it that's perfectly fine. I, like all artists, design with particular design and form language as my signature. You might have noticed Zyra, Syndra and Elise were designed by the same artist. Sexy bodies, integrated clothing/biology, dark females. Same with artist for Nautilus, Ziggs and Lulu. Friendly shapes, opposing colors, offbeat characters. Just like game designers have similar flavor to their champions across the board artists have similar common expressions.

If you want a traditional archer, with a traditional fantasy get-up, with a traditional build, and a traditional design where female form expression trumps practically fighting the fight, I am not your guy, and I'm glad to admit that. That's my strength, that why I work on what I work on.

I do not abide by the established or the expected, neither does Riot on the whole. It is not our job to abide, it's our job to challenge the convention and question traditional execution.

Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for understanding where we're coming from. This isn't just me. This is part of something larger. Pendulums will swing, you'll get your stripped down heroes. Quinn is not one of them and we're proud of that.
I have no clue why you felt the need to explain it either, but considering the huge amount of downvotes youre getting i just want you to know. I love the way she looks!


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Yeeeeee Muffins

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02-13-2013

IronStylus, I really hope you're reading this! Quinn is a WONDERFUL design, I love your non-sexualized yet strong women! Leona is beautiful, Diana is beautiful, and when I saw Quinn I was amazed. Please IronStylus, I'm posting this for the sole purpose to let you know that there are people like me who love your designs, so no matter what people think please remember you have fans!

I love her colour palette, I love her design, she looks so cool! I'm definitely going to get her, IronStylus. I love your designs.


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DoctorSetoZero

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02-13-2013

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Originally Posted by IronStylus View Post
Some quick context:

Honestly, I feel I owe no excuses. You know my history, you know my goals. I design the women in armor. I do not design the over-sexualized, the seductress, or the siren. Different artists gravitate towards different styles and themes. When this champion came along, I opted to work on it because I felt I could bring a different take. Initially, she did start out as a traditional fantasy ranger, and actually was melee at the time. However, that was not the route we wanted to take. That was standard, it was conventional, and it was boring. I drove away from it and made something rugged in the new direction we're trying to take our style. Fantasy, but not traditional fantasy.

This is my take. If you don't like it that's perfectly fine. I, like all artists, design with particular design and form language as my signature. You might have noticed Zyra, Syndra and Elise were designed by the same artist. Sexy bodies, integrated clothing/biology, dark females. Same with artist for Nautilus, Ziggs and Lulu. Friendly shapes, opposing colors, offbeat characters. Just like game designers have similar flavor to their champions across the board artists have similar common expressions.

If you want a traditional archer, with a traditional fantasy get-up, with a traditional build, and a traditional design where female form expression trumps practically fighting the fight, I am not your guy, and I'm glad to admit that. That's my strength, that why I work on what I work on.

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I tried to thumbs you up and it still went down Iron... Iron I know where your coming from. its good to have diversity. is there a way we could get your skin as the classic as that's how the character was meant to look and one that people who oppose this skin want. after the release of a new champion maybe you could release a skin after a month or two for it based on what the community would like to see. I can tell you that when i'm feeling like I mean business i'm going into the game with her most bad ass skin and when i'm playing around I choose the skin I think is smexy or adorable.. I would like to know your opinion on this idea Ironstylus.

ps: I did dislike her appearance earlier as I think I mentioned in this or another thread but only because I wanted a underdog character look.


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Resther

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02-13-2013

Not liking her design to be honest.

She looks way too much like Leona, but with silver/blue armor.


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Judge Arcadia

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02-13-2013

Ya'll just a bunch of haters.

Sippin on that Hateraid all day, ery day.