DFG and eve ult

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Camel Scary

Senior Member

01-29-2013

with eves ult not dealing percent damage and DFG doing max damage is it worth it to dfg before eve ulting? as the active will damge them and reduce her ult damage(currnt hp) but also increasing her ult damage from magic damage increase.
So my question is at what point is it not worth it to DFG before eves ult?


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Dulkan

Member

01-29-2013

Let me do the math for you.

You attack a full health target,
Rank 2 Ult, no ap

Ult first: -20%, dfg -15% = 65% health
DFG first: -15% = 85% -20*1.2 = -24%. 24% of 85 = 20.4% -> 64.6% health

Rank 3 Ult, no ap
Ult first: -25%, dfg -15% = 60% health
DFG first: 85% - 25*1.2 = -30%. 30% of 85 = 25.5 -> 59.5%

Rank 3 Ult, 500 AP
Ult first: -30%, dfg -15% = 55% health
DFG first: 85% - 30*1.2 = -36%. 36% of 85 = 30.6 -> 54.4%


So you can clearly see, that DFG first is very slightly better, but it's almost not noticeable. Basically per 1% dmg on your ult, dfg first is 0.02% max health better.


On a half health target with Rank 2 Ult, no ap

ult first: -10%-15% = 25%
dfg first: 35% health after dfg, 24% of 35 = 8.4 -> 26.6% health left

Also, the lower your target is, the better ult first becomes. But still the difference is minor.


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Crosbie

Senior Member

01-29-2013

Wow. The difference is so marginally small, I'd prefer to use the DFG upon reaching my target for the Ravage and hate spikes to receive the full 4 second buff.


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Dulkan

Member

01-29-2013

I just checked some more, 90% max health is the break even point, where ult first and dfg first do exactly the same dmg. Below that ult first is better, above that DFG first is better.

But, as you said, considering, you'll potentially lose one hate spike boosted by the 20% bonus damage and the advantage of dfg first even at max hax health is so miniscule (with 500 AP, rnak 3 ult and 5k health opponent, with no mr, you gain a grand total of 30 dmg over ult first). I'd always go with ult first.