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PogoPogoPogoPogo

Senior Member

01-20-2013

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Originally Posted by Rillain View Post
Well I know this rarely happens
Then it's not worth mentioning. Elo isn't designed to work on a scale of a single game.


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Pads

Member

01-20-2013

Look I believe in ELO Hell and I think I'm in it at 1200 ish elo, but to drop to 800 elo.... i mean im pretty sure you had some fault in that


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Mich567

Senior Member

01-20-2013

Keep on going... you will ALWAYS get to the right elo eventually. Stay positive, be a team player, play well, give tips, don't start raging and cussing at teammates, and you can win. If you play for a LONG LONG time and you're still at a low elo, then it's probably (not definitely) your own fault.


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Rillain

Senior Member

01-20-2013

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Originally Posted by PogoPogoPogoPogo View Post
Then it's not worth mentioning. Elo isn't designed to work on a scale of a single game.
Ok scratch that, it happens every game for the enemy team since I'm a 1500 player smurfing at 800s


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PogoPogoPogoPogo

Senior Member

01-20-2013

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Ok scratch that, it happens every game for the enemy team since I'm a 1500 player smurfing at 800s
So, you're pretty good evidence against Elo hell then.


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Rillain

Senior Member

01-20-2013

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Originally Posted by PogoPogoPogoPogo View Post
So, you're pretty good evidence against Elo hell then.
800 is still a walk in the park. I'll get back to you when I'm dealing with 1.1k to 1.3k madness.


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SunDipFunny

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01-20-2013

I was 900s last season... Climbed to 1000 at the end of it. Now I'm sitting at 1300. Maybe you're just bad at the game and need to get better.


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Rillain

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01-20-2013

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I was 900s last season... Climbed to 1000 at the end of it. Now I'm sitting at 1300. Maybe you're just bad at the game and need to get better.
The fact that you're on a 300 elo difference from just a new season kind of exemplifies the flaws that people hate about ranked. Oh and I climbed from 918 to 1264 in S2.


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Boagster

Senior Member

01-20-2013

Except, Rillain, that the number given to you by the Elo system is just that without the context of every other player's rating. 1300 at this point in this pre-season is not the same as 1300 at the beginning of Season 2 and neither are the same as 1300 at the end of Season 2.


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PogoPogoPogoPogo

Senior Member

01-21-2013

If your true Elo is X, then you'll be able to manage an exceptionally high win rate at X-i for as long as i remains a significantly high number.

However, with each win, i gets small, and as i approaches 0, your win-rate should also approach 50%.


You're not going to simply manage a 75% win rate all the way up until you finally hit your Elo. It's not that black and white. A more realistic example would be starting at an extremely high win rate (say 95%) and that win rate steadily declines to 50% as i approaches 0.


So perhaps if your true Elo is 2400, you manage 95% at every Elo below 1000,
90% win rate from 1000-1499
80% win rate from 1500-1699
70% win rate from 1700-1899
60% win rate from 1900-1999
55% win rate from 2000-2099
52% win rate from 2100-2399

and then a 50% win rate at your true Elo 2400+.



Now, this is just a made up example, but the model helps to illustrate the point I'm trying to make.

The closer you are to the Elo you belong, the closer you are to being at an Elo with other players of your skill level, and therefore your win rate will begin approaching 50%.

But it won't hit 50%, not if you're still truly below your appropriate Elo.


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