OMG, Xerath is one step behind all of us....

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Beauneaux

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01-08-2013

anyone who actually plays xerath knows his passive is complete trash. early on it doesn't give hardly anything.
and especially since armor doesn't do much anymore.
an AD mid will have BC by the time he has any armor form it.

if an AD gets in melee range of you, the ONLY things that will save you is killing them first or flashing a wall. the passive will not really help. he's super squishy.

that said he's still strong imo.


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sh4dowhand

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01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by Thristle View Post
At 100 AP, he gets 15 armor...
Seeing as most casters end with 400+ AP, that's a free 60. Not bad at all.


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Calys Teneb

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01-08-2013

What the hell is so new about AD Mid? It's Season 1 all over again.


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Shaboopie

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01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by sh4dowhand View Post
Seeing as most casters end with 400+ AP, that's a free 60. Not bad at all.
No, it's not, but by the time he gets that free 60, the AD caster will have their BC and LW, which drops that down to... uselessness.


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Dewtrocity

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01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by Shaboopie View Post
No, it's not, but by the time he gets that free 60, the AD caster will have their BC and LW, which drops that down to... uselessness.
Why? 60 Armor on top of any items he built that grant armor such as Hourglass give him quite a bit of armor(not including the armor Seals and base armor he should have), on top of that he should have a bit of health as well since a lot of mage items give Health.


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Miestr Spounk

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01-08-2013

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What the hell is so new about AD Mid? It's Season 1 all over again.
A large part of the players weren't here during season one.


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Shaboopie

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01-08-2013

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Originally Posted by Dewtrocity View Post
Why? 60 Armor on top of any items he built that grant armor such as Hourglass give him quite a bit of armor(not including the armor Seals and base armor he should have), on top of that he should have a bit of health as well since a lot of mage items give Health.
Again, BC and LW reduce that armor to pretty much nothing. No matter how high you go, it's going to be reduced significantly. Against an AD caster, you're probably better off building glass cannon and staying in the back as artillery. The way Xerath is supposed to be played anyway.


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mambawarrior0

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01-08-2013

It IS useless.
If you buy a 1600 gold needlessly large rod, it gives less armor than a 300 gold cloth armor. By comparison, before armor and MR were made more expensive Rammus could buy a 700 gold chain vest and get more AD than a 400 gold longsword along with the armor itself.
Even Vlad's passive is more cost efficient, and it works for multiple stats.


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alpha quail

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01-08-2013

With zhonya's, 500 ap (not too hard to max at) he's rolling like 180 armor at minimum, which assuming they have LW+cleaver+pen masteries/runes...

-30% from cleaver -> 180 - 54 = 126

penetrate 48% of that (ima just round to 50 to make math easier)

so 63 armor left, remove 34 flat from runes/masteries.

so 29 armor (31.2 or so assuming I would've done the 48% calc instead of 50%) which is still a reduction in damage.

Now assume he had no passive.

105-30% = 74.5

take off 48% and you're left with about 39 armor

remove 34 armor from flat and that becomes 5 armor.

So effectively it's the difference between 5 armor and 29 armor. I CBA to find the value decreases on those but it's probably something like a 4% damage reduction vs. 23% or so.

So 96% damage vs. 77% damage. 77/96 = 80%

So at 500ap xerath's passive will reduce damage by ~20% assuming the reduction percentages are somewhat accurate at the end there.



Do note that if they can't get all 4 cleaver stacks this drops a good bit, as well if they don't have a full pen rune page or if you have flat armor seals.


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ghbutler

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01-08-2013

ad mid meta was the meta 2 yrs ago.....


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