Theres no Correct way to play vs Dairus

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Adrian Umbra

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12-18-2012

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Originally Posted by Lyrdian View Post
Because he doesnt have a grab and slow or never builds a frozen mallet. And he can NEVER burst squishy champs down then ult in the 3 seconds it takes for slow to GTFO.

Honestly his passive needs to be tweaked down again, his q needs to be tweaked down and his ult needs to not FULLY refresh when he kills with it. Cho'gaths doesn't and cho has a HELLA smaller range than darius does, plus all of his kit is dodgable even if he catches up to you.

But w/e, no one ever seems to agree that the bruiser genre needs a nerf *cough* garen *cough*
Bruisers such as Darius tend to fall off late game. They're therefore understandably strong in the early game. His grab range isn't that long, Darius can easily be counterpicked, his ult is going to be changed soon(TM), and the guy has no sustain. If you're squishy, it's usually easy to avoid/CC/kite/counterburst Darius down before you get taken down. If he builds tank, he's got fairly managable damage and is ignorable. He builds carry, he'll get bursted down before he touches anyone.

As for the Garen comment, let me repeat that bruisers fall off late game. Lee Sin, Garen, Darius, Wukong, and others will often be outscaled to death if they can't win early and will be of little use lategame other than as a meatshield.


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Wiltsee

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12-18-2012

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Because he doesnt have a grab and slow or never builds a frozen mallet. And he can NEVER burst squishy champs down then ult in the 3 seconds it takes for slow to GTFO.

Honestly his passive needs to be tweaked down again, his q needs to be tweaked down and his ult needs to not FULLY refresh when he kills with it. Cho'gaths doesn't and cho has a HELLA smaller range than darius does, plus all of his kit is dodgable even if he catches up to you.

But w/e, no one ever seems to agree that the bruiser genre needs a nerf *cough* garen *cough*
his grab has a massive cooldown (25 seconds at first rank) and a discernibly small range. smaller than most harass abilities.

frozen mallet is hard to get if you're getting harassed and ganked out of your farm.

anyone can burst a squishy. that's why they're squishy.

your cho'gath argument was a good comparision except darius' abilities are similarly dodgable. q and e can be easily skirted, w is within his attack range. both their ults are targeted.

as for his passive, if you can't grasp the concept that you should never be in an extended 1v1 against darius, well, ****. i don't even have anything clever to round this out with. just don't.

p.s. what he really counters is other aggressive melee champions. i think people just complain because they wanna play their main xin zhao without getting dunked.


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OT Shadow

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12-18-2012

jax and zed can counter darius. jax just needs to bait his q then dive in with his e. zed can harras wit his q and farm amazingly under the turret. hit level 6 and if darius stays in lane on low health he's done for.

you just have to bait his q and dodge his w and that's it. sometimes i admit it is hard to dodge his w or q everytime but that just how it works. you win some you lose some.

for a laugh someone in normal draft picked garen and they ultied each other at the same time and killed each other every time. it was funny


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Fatty Liver

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12-18-2012

gp owns darius


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Kyu Ryu

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12-18-2012

The problem with Darius is that he is to polar of a champ. Some champs he doesn't just destroy, he devastates. While other champs can toy with him (though I notice all Darius has to do is turret huddle and just wait for the next phase of the game.) Then there are those that are a even mix between the two.


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X74X

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12-18-2012

No.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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12-18-2012

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Because he doesnt have a grab and slow or never builds a frozen mallet. And he can NEVER burst squishy champs down then ult in the 3 seconds it takes for slow to GTFO.
why would you get into grab range if you can't deal with him? Why don't you do something more beneficial like 1v1 against a tower, at least then you'll have accomplished something

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Originally Posted by Lyrdian View Post
Honestly his passive needs to be tweaked down again, his q needs to be tweaked down and his ult needs to not FULLY refresh when he kills with it. Cho'gaths doesn't and cho has a HELLA smaller range than darius does, plus all of his kit is dodgable even if he catches up to you.
he also has sustain, more damage, more CC, more ways to become tanky, better ability ranges thatn darius, and ways to fight multiple champs not to mention a better endgame

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But w/e, no one ever seems to agree that the bruiser genre needs a nerf *cough* garen *cough*
because youre on the lower end of the player strength curve. The "bruiser genre" as you call these two, also known as the "fighter class" by those of us who don't like to be so vague and properly classify things, aren't that mindblowing to many of us. Yes, you can have offense and defense at the same time. Those aren't the only two dynamics in this game afterall. Until you understand that and express that you do in your arguements you'll just appear to be some dork crying cuz he got bullied.


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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12-18-2012

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The problem with Darius is that he is to polar of a champ. Some champs he doesn't just destroy, he devastates. While other champs can toy with him (though I notice all Darius has to do is turret huddle and just wait for the next phase of the game.) Then there are those that are a even mix between the two.
How is huddling under a turret supposed to stop irelia? She'll dive darius under the turret, **** she'll dive the turret under darius! Honeybadger don't give a ****, she clicks what she wants cuz she's a nasty crazy****! Gross!


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Rhorshak

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12-19-2012

Play Yourick or Narsoos and they counter him pretty good, or teemo :P


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Zhané

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12-19-2012

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Now let me explain why this is.
Darius's damage inst what is op about him It's how his damage works.

This champion has Mixed damage in sizeable amounts. True damage for starters theres no counter for that besides health and that not a core item for 60% of the champions on this game. Armor is ok to build vs dairus but almost pointless since his e gives 30% armor pen No is going to build MR vs him .

Since there's no good way build against him let's move on to dueling him



When he uses w this move does 125% of his ad and slows AND the kicker takes 20% of your attack speed PLUS resets his auto attack .
Actually he isn't as much of a problem as you are making him out to be. His dmg is high yes but that is what happens when you feed. Since darius has came out I know how to play him ( he is rather ez) and I know how to counter him. You have to harrass him and understand his ult. early game be cautious when you are close to 300 I'd be scared cuz that is his ult range early. If you can sucussfully harrass him before you start fighting him that is the Key. Running from him is the worst thing you can do. He isn't that tanky and those that build tanky lose raw dmg for that. Olaf is a GREAT counter for him. Jax and lee sin played right can counter him as well.