Kassadin item discussion

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Barotix

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11-23-2009

Kassadin is a Hybrid.


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Dahras

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11-23-2009

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Originally Posted by Motas View Post
So, if he isn't to be played AP/Tank, it would be DPS?

And I'm a little upset that a mana denial hero isn't welcomed in LoL
He's not saying that AP/Tank is bad, what he's saying is that Kassadin is a pub stomper who brings the most to the table when played AP/Tank. As a DPS he has even less of a role. Sure, as DPS you can drain most of their mana in a few seconds, but AP/Tank Kassadin can KILL them in a few seconds, so thats kind of more effective.

On that note, its not that mana denial is not welcome or inherently bad in LoL, its that the only character capable of mana denial (Kassadin) is much better at killing things than draining their mana. If you had the choice between ~1500-2000 damage and ~200-400 mana in three seconds or ~750-1000 damage and ~1500-2000 mana in three seconds, which would you pick? One day, Riot could create a mana denial focused hero, but TBH, I don't think that character would be fun to play or fun to play against in this faster paced fame (so don't expect one any time soon).


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The Senate

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11-24-2009

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Originally Posted by Motas View Post
So, if he isn't to be played AP/Tank, it would be DPS?

And I'm a little upset that a mana denial hero isn't welcomed in LoL
Kassadin doesn't do DPS. His abilities don't support him to be viably able to actually DAMAGE somebody every second long enough for it to even be CALLED DPS. Unless you load him up with physical attack items, Kassadin deals burst damage.

Also, it would be good to start thinking of Kassadin's 'mana denial' as 'mana steal'. He takes a flat rate percent with a double return. So at level 5, he steals 5% of targets mana and gets back 10%. On an enemy caster, that's a lot of mana. You really do it to support yourself, rather then deny the enemy.

Of course there are situations where you do end up denying mana. Somebody's trying to escape and you keep them from regening the mana they need to do a flash. (See Corki on that one.) It happens, it's just not common or very central.


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Shairon

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11-27-2009

Agreeing with the senate, as a very manaintensive blinker kassy needs manaitems to stay mobile, as well he has 2 nukes and 0 disables or attackaugmenting abilities (which helps smacking stuff dead).


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ShneakySquirrel

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11-27-2009

Someone mentioned that Kassadin is one of the only burst damage characters, however Annie has easily one of the highest burst combo's in the game.

At this point in time, Kassadin is most efficient as an AP/Tank Hybrid. His burst is easily one of the best in the games, and he's hard to kill. His DPS isn't sustained, but that doesn't stop him from being Top Tier by any means. He has the best mobility in the game, and with the right items, is nigh-impossible to kill. But without question, AP/Tank is the best Kassadin.

Kassadin doesn't have ANY skills at all that make him a good Physical DPS Carry. He has no damage enhancing abilities... but his Force Pulse does about 600 damage AoE, and his Null Sphere is another 400-500. This is all with AP, and with a few CD reduction items he is casting spells at a very dangerous rate.


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The Senate

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11-28-2009

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Someone mentioned that Kassadin is one of the only burst damage characters, however Annie has easily one of the highest burst combo's in the game.
I'd say that the full list of LoL burst damage champions would beeee...

Annie
AP Sion
AP Cho'Gath
Kassadin
Ryze

And then Anivina and Veigar can both kinda do burst damage.


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EnygmaSoul

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11-28-2009

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I'd say that the full list of LoL burst damage champions would beeee...

Annie
AP Sion
AP Cho'Gath
Kassadin
Ryze

And then Anivina and Veigar can both kinda do burst damage.

I'd probably add Blitzcrank to that list - offensively, he seems heavily reliant on the one-two-three-punch of his Rocket Grab / Power Fist / Static Field combo. He doesn't seem to sustain damage with anywhere near the proficiency that he bursts it.


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OyaH

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12-16-2009

Would it nice if Kass can do burst mana-steal, which would have an impact on the opponent mana pool and ability casting.


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