Okay guys, here's what we do about Katarina's animation removal

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Krynul

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12-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Akeii View Post
If the skins come out and it turns out that the animation was removed, we downvote the skin announcement thread and give the exact reason why.

Deal?

<Edit: Since this is getting some exposure anyways - can we make her hair red again please? Katarina is a lovely redhead and I do not wish to pay for a fluorescent carrot with my RP>
While I don't care if the female champions are sexy, and indeed I find Kat to be a particularly sexy champ, I don't actually like that animation. It makes no freaking sense. Why on earth does she have a pole? It's not Riot making the most of what is arguably the inherent sexuality of the champion, it's basically just forcing porn onto a champion that doesn't need it. I don't particularly care for it and for once I'll take the side of the people whining about oversexualization. It's just not necessary. Give her big boobs, give her a sultry voice, but don't make her pull a pole out of her ass and ride it for no good reason.


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Jamvert

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12-07-2012

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Not willing to prioritize short-term gains (sales) over total product quality.
I support this attitude.


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GreatWeelo

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12-07-2012

The difference between Katarina and Miss Fortune, is how the characters themselves portray their sexiness.

Miss Fortune is a flaunter. She is very open with it to the point where she takes every opportunity to flaunt it. Specifically, as a character, she knows how to show off her assets. For her, a pole dance would fit perfectly. It's an action that the character would take as it actively flaunts her sexiness.

Katarina is the sexy-behind-closed-doors type. Yes, she's sexy. But she doesn't actively engage herself in flaunting it. The pole dance is a step beyond her proficiency in displaying her sexiness, so it ends up being just a touch outside of what fits her character. The Kitty Kat Katarina skin supports this - she can dress sexily because that's easily part of what her character finds acceptable. Being actively seductive isn't.

Cute/sexy reindeer prancing is totally on the table though.


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Whoayeah

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12-07-2012

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And with this, you've surpassed Zileas and are now my favorite Red. Sorry Zileas.
Yeah Morello's not as bad as people think. But people mainly blame him cause he's just a big name and they don't know who else to blame


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Corporal Cupcake

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12-07-2012

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Having read all of Morello's responses, he already went over that Kat is a sexy champion, no one is denying that, but she's not meant to be seductive, she's meant to be an honor driven assassin. Kitty Kat is her seductive, sexy skin. Christmas Kat is not her seductive, sexy skin. The poledance exit makes no sense on this skin.


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Kaelzoroden

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12-07-2012

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I think we might need to think twice about this direction of skins creatively - agreed. It's not a bad skin, but we might have enough of that now.
I'm telling you, Reindeer Soraka and Gingerbread Singed. Soraka desperately needs more skins, and this would be a great chance to give her a silly one that would completely play off her existing traits. Sure, make her staff a candycane! it works! Recall animation? Make her nose glow bright red before she covers her face with her hands, acting embarrassed!

Gingerbread man Singed could be just as good! A mug of eggnog in hand, leave snowflake particles for his poison trail, and a giant cookie strapped to his arm.
Actually, instead of snowflake particles, just give him a thermos of hot chocolate on his back, and make his poison trail into steam. Recall animation could be that he turns towards the platform, revs up to run cartoon style, and looks like he takes off right as the teleport goes.


Soraka really needs a skin, and the Singed one would be a fun departure from previous Christmas skins. Either or both of these would be way more fun and memorable than just another 'cute girl in short Santa outfit'.

Any thoughts on this?


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SeanIsFail

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12-07-2012

Hi, let me just say this. You have katarina in a short dress and wearing reindeer ears and you think a pole dance doesn't fit the 'THEME' of that skin? Sure thing.


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The PKK Revenge

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12-07-2012

Really? I don't see a problem with them changing it. I see what Morello was saying honestly. It's a Christmas skin. Not a stripper dressing up for Christmas. Went and found a video of the animation so I could see what all this was about. Honestly, the animation doesn't go with the skin. It's a Christmas skin, there was no reason to keep an animation that made it look more like a skin for a stripper dressed for the holidays.


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Morphine

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12-07-2012

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I think we might need to think twice about this direction of skins creatively - agreed. It's not a bad skin, but we might have enough of that now.
I think the main issue is that there are two points that you seem to be making or have made in the past, and those points strike me as contradictory. I may be misrepresenting you here, and if I am I apologize, but those points being...

A) Skins should be at least somewhat representative of the character in question.
No poledance for Kat because Kat is an assassin whose primary focus is being a cutthroat killer, and whose secondary focus is being hot, tangentially. having a skin that's just generic hot chick with no "Kat" feel makes the skin feel incongruous.

B) Skins aren't canon.
People were pretty pissed with Valentine's Vayne release. I was pretty sad, because if felt like one of the couple of female characters who was played completely seriously - without any cheeky sexline or pole dancing or fuzzy cuffs - got hit with the fanservice stick. The response to this was that skins aren't and have never been canon.


Personally, I don't like the pole dance but I don't see a point in removing it either. Maybe it's because we haven't seen the particles, but it seems like a standard **** skin with no trace of Kat in it. If Heartseeker Vayne is okay, why is Ho-Ho-Ho Kat not okay?


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IS12c9caee90c700fc71890

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12-07-2012

The thing about skins is, they aren't serious, they don't have to fit the character perfectly, they are about being either attractive, cool, or fun, that's all.

Renekton can wear a hat and "smile" for a picture, Fiora can be a headmistress and duel people with a ruler, Amumu can be a real robot, Olaf can be a Bro, drinking bear and fighting with cardboard boxes, talking all sorts of nonsense, there are several examples

Why the hell can't Kat poledance? It was a massive success, the community approved, it was far more fitting than several examples we currently have, just, why not?