Lightbringer (OP updated)

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Lord Mandible

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11-18-2012

I only buy it if there's a Wukong, Vayne, or Talon on the opposing team.


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Redenbacher

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11-19-2012

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Originally Posted by RiotNome View Post
Let's talk about this item. How often is it purchased? How is its buildup? What would be the ramifications if it were removed?
I actually really appreciate this item, primarily for it's passive. It's a devastating counter to champions like Wukong, Kha'Zix, and Vayne who have active stealth.

...but that's exactly the problem I now have with it. It's not consistent with the changes made to Hextech Sweeper.

Similar to the old Sweeper, a champion could purchase this item and passively shut down an enemy stealth-reliant champion. Just like the old sweeper, this adds no gameplay, and makes your auto-attacker a super hard-counter to the enemy stealth champion without thinking or action required on their part outside of 'right-click'.

My question to you is: Why is it OK to have a passive reveal on auto-attack, but not a passive reveal on spell cast?

The only justification I can think of is that it is a counter that can be counter-played by the enemy stealth-reliant champion, if they can target and focus this auto-attacker intelligently before they are hit with an auto-attack. Spells, AoE in particular, can just be fired off and will likely hit the target, revealing them.

That being said, what about changing Lightbringer to a Dominion version of Grez's Spectral Lantern?


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Nome or Die

Game Designer

11-19-2012
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Updated the first post.

The buildup of 1.72 Grez's Spectral Lantern is slightly different. It'll be S3 Vamp Scepter (800 gold) + Cloth Armor + 150 recipe.


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Redenbacher

Senior Member

11-19-2012

Are you saying Dominion gets it's own special Grez's Lantern with a unique recipe? Or has the recipe since dropped Razors?


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Zerglinator

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11-19-2012

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Updated the first post.

The buildup of 1.72 Grez's Spectral Lantern is slightly different. It'll be S3 Vamp Scepter (800 gold) + Cloth Armor + 150 recipe.
Lifesteal will be back on Grez's? Cool!


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urmamasllama

Senior Member

11-19-2012

Was just about to ask about that since madreds is very much something dominion shouldn't have it would make ADC in bot lane way too strong


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Nome or Die

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11-19-2012
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Are you saying Dominion gets it's own special Grez's Lantern with a unique recipe? Or has the recipe since dropped Razors?
It's dropped Madred's Razors. I'm very heavily leaning towards Grez upgrading into Lightbrighter right now--not sure whether to keep the persistent vision passive though.


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Orphane

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11-19-2012

Interesting. We'll see how it works, I guess.


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Nome or Die

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11-19-2012
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Was just about to ask about that since madreds is very much something dominion shouldn't have it would make ADC in bot lane way too strong
It will have a weaker version of the passive effect (20% chance to deal 200 magic damage).


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Arance

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11-19-2012

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It will have a weaker version of the passive effect (20% chance to deal 200 magic damage).
Why even bother having it at all? The quoted scenario is the only possible use for it in all of Dom, I don't see why anyone top lane would really want it.

Also I vote against keeping the passive sight. Its really good if on a ranged champion that can hit you before you go into stealth/brush, and then ranges from underwhelming to useless in every other case.