@IronStylus: I am very disappointed in you and the art team.

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Gixia

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11-17-2012

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Originally Posted by Avalon Bright View Post
We did. We got Diana. Probably one of the worst looking champs released recently, given the godawful hair pulled back (seriously, other chicks, stop doing that. It never looks good. Ever.) and ruined DVD changes. No thanks.
I actually agree that Diana's hairstyle is the worst, but aside from that she looks fantastic and I don't know what the **** you're smoking.


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FailTsukkomi

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11-17-2012

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Originally Posted by ihatebikeshorts View Post
This is a good point, and thank you for not openly insulting me like everyone else. The short answer is that it doesn't have to be clothing. it could be any other aqueous design that's fish-related. Maybe even one that hints at there curves there, but in this particular design, there are so many ways they could have avoided that detail all together. Not all champions need to be sexualized, and when the two female champions to come out this year that werne't sexualized were Lulu and Diana, ther'es a problem.
But she's *not* sexualized.

This is the point you're missing. Nami is not sexualized. Showing a bit of cleavage isn't sexualization. Sexualization goes far beyond simply showing some cleavage. It has to do with their pose, their attitude, etc.


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Ko Hakoo

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11-17-2012

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50 pages.. no way I can read every one of these posts. To sum up though, despite what you may think, I am not the single point of failure in a scenario where a busty lady makes it through our pipeline. I'm here to be one of many voices that chimes in when appropriate. Can I flip a table or two? Absolutely, if I deem it unnecessary. I really wasn't too terribly concerned about Nami because, well, I think she's a cool design.

Did I notice the ruffles revealing some fish flesh? Yeah, I saw it months ago. Did I think it was particularly a good idea to poo-poo the design when it was on its way, when it was gathering momentum, and when it was being passionately worked on by the artist? Hell no. This will be this particular artist's first champion ever in the game. It's her show in that regard. I didn't find the cleavage to be a monumental red flag.

When I saw the concept I was like.. look at this stuff, isn't it neat? Wouldn't you think this concept's complete? Wouldn't you think she's the girl, the girl that has, everything? Look at those frills, how they unfold. How many wonders can one mermaid hold? Looking around here you think, sure, she's got everything. She's got flippers and scepters a plenty. She's got dashes and splashes galore. You want complementary curves? She's got twenty. But who cares, no big deal, she wants more.

She wants to be where the players are, she wants to see, wants to see them fighting, thinking inside of those, what do you call them? Oh, brains! Flipping to mid you don't get to far. Supports are required for healing, casting, strolling along on that.. what's that word again? Lane! Up where they toss, up where they stun, up where they lane all day in the sun, wandering free, wished she could be, part of that role.

What would she pay, if she could play, out of those waters? What sort of gift, would let her lift, up to the game? Betcha in the rift, they get the drift, that they appreciate their healers. Crowd controllers, supporting rollers, ready to sustain, and ready to help with Carry's job. Lock up the gankers and get some assists. What's a Baron, and how does it, what's the word? Buff! When's it enough? Wouldn't they love, love to play some support up above?

Out of the sea.

Wished she could be.

Part of that roll.



..tune in next time when I explain our champion creation process akin to how the mice put together Cinderella's dress.

All of my upvotes.


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ihatebikeshorts

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11-17-2012

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So she's still trashy to you.

Do what the other poster said and grab a time machine. Whisk yourself back to the Victorian era, I'm sure you'd be happier there.

Seriously, Nami is freaking adorable. Her voice, her lines, her design. But nah. She shows cleavage, so that makes her trashy. Women can't show skin. That's trashy. Ew.

I don't understand how everyone insists that EVERYTHING about a character's design needs to somehow "add' to their character. That's... stupid. Does Blitzcrank's weird "door" in the middle of his body "add" to his character? No, he doesn't use it for anything. Does Yorick's bulging muscles add to his character? Nope. He SUMMONS stuff to fight for him on the majority of his abilities, so why have muscles? What does Draven's mustache "add" to his character?

You know why they have those things? Cause the artist *felt like it.*

Bam.

Mindblowing I know.
Artistic design isn't simply about adding superfluous details, ESPECIALLY when Riot's core theme for the last generation of artistic direction has been Conveyance. They want to show what this champion is all about with a single splash image- superfluous details get in the way of that artistic thesis.
Design isn't "I felt like it", there's a logic to it. It isn't just some exercise where an artist can flex their technical skills; it's an involved process that involves knowing the character and understanding how to convey what they do in a single image.


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OneBigBugga

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11-17-2012

I'm honestly sick of people complaining about the female champs. I really wonder if anyone realizes what the Gaming community looks like. How many males between the ages of 18-45 + there are. Might explain a lot if you think of it.

Don't think because you are the VOCAL Minority that you have a lot of sway in what will be done. The silent Majority tends to speak with our hard earned cash when we buy the new champ en-mass. That's how WE let riot know to keep making the busty/sexy Female champs... honestly... don't like her? Want to TRY to make a point? Don't buy her and STFU.


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Avalon Bright

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11-17-2012

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But she's *not* sexualized.

This is the point you're missing. Nami is not sexualized. Showing a bit of cleavage isn't sexualization. Sexualization goes far beyond simply showing some cleavage. It has to do with their pose, their attitude, etc.
This this this this this this this this this this this THIS.


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FailTsukkomi

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11-17-2012

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Artistic design isn't simply about adding superfluous details, ESPECIALLY when Riot's core theme for the last generation of artistic direction has been Conveyance. They want to show what this champion is all about with a single splash image- superfluous details get in the way of that artistic thesis.
Design isn't "I felt like it", there's a logic to it. It isn't just some exercise where an artist can flex their technical skills; it's an involved process that involves knowing the character and understanding how to convey what they do in a single image.
You completely missed what they meant by conveyance. What conveyance means is that someone riding a giant Yeti isn't actually a mage. (Nunu)

Or that a zombie with a battleaxe isn't actually a mage too. (Sion)

Conveyance isn't "SHE SHOWS SOME CLEAVAGE OMG SHE'S A SLUUUUT"


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Avalon Bright

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I actually agree that Diana's hairstyle is the worst, but aside from that she looks fantastic and I don't know what the **** you're smoking.
I've got a bit of a thing for pretty hair. I'm sure Iron Stylus could back that up with how much I've complained about Riot's headgear fetish and lack of hair on ANY champs lately, lol. A bad hairstyle ruins an otherwise attractive design for me. I do very much like her armor and the rest of her appearance, but...dat hair. ;.;


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Jocular

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11-17-2012

I have to agree that RIOT is overselling the boob thing a bit, but as long as it makes them money it's very doubtful that anything will change.

I breathe a sigh of relief every time I see Annie.

There is something to be said about "diversity being the spice of life." Sure, I'll admit that eating sweet things tastes good. But without eating something savory once in awhile, you just get sick.


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sux

Senior Member

11-17-2012

I actually agree 100%.
But at the end of the day, Riot is a company and they cater to their majority...
Which just so happens to be basement dwelling, ***-starved nerds.
Get used to it.