@IronStylus: I am very disappointed in you and the art team.

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Gespens

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11-16-2012

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If you honestly believe that the exaggeration of female body parts that are specifically designed to tend to male sexual desire, is in anyway artistically creative rather than a grab for profits by targeting teenage males, then I'm afraid that I must say you are quite naive.

This is really like claiming that hardcore pornography is all about artistic creation rather than monetary profit through sexual stimulation.
Just because A is A, doesnt mean A cannot also be B.

Just because a game or show are super sexy, does not mean it cannot have a great story. On the other hand, just because something is really serious and has a 'very well written' plot, doesn't mean it actually is. As a writer, your statement is close minded.

Go google 'A Serbian Film' or 'Vase de Noces'

Both are art house films. One is about a guy who has to star in snuff films, the other has a guy having *** with a pig. 'Art' is a very broad term.


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Mindllapse

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11-16-2012

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Just because A is A, doesnt mean A cannot also be B.

Just because a game or show are super sexy, does not mean it cannot have a great story. On the other hand, just because something is really serious and has a 'very well written' plot, doesn't mean it actually is. As a writer, your statement is close minded.

Go google 'A Serbian Film' or 'Vase de Noces'

Both are art house films. One is about a guy who has to star in snuff films, the other has a guy having *** with a pig. 'Art' is a very broad term.
1) I never made an argument with the premise A is A and the conclusion A cannot be B.

2) My argument was that the design aspects of LoL female characters whereby body parts are exaggerated according to male desire has much more to do with economic markets rather than artistic creation and artistic pursuits.

3) I have seen both "A Serbian Film" as well as "Vase de Noces", but they do not in anyway support your argument. Sexual acts and nudity portrayed in both of those films are not created for the intent of creating sexual stimulation for a male audience with the purpose of sales profits. On the other hand it is fairly obvious (which perplexes me as to why you can't see it) that Riot's art design of female champions concerning the aspects which aim to exaggerate female sexual body parts are done for the intention and the result of garnering financial success.

4) Since it seems that you are unable or unwilling to maintain a discussion without constantly and wildly employing strawmans and non-sequiturs, nor have a very basic knowledge about the examples and ideas provided in your own very arguments as well as the material being discussed at hand, I will be going to bed. Good night.


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Canas Lute

Junior Member

11-16-2012

Here, let's make this thread better. If you think there is something wrong with the design, say you don't like it. If you don't think so, don't post or simply say you don't. And Riot can decide if they see any merit in someone saying they don't. These arguments are ridiculous and so far off the point. Just state your position and move on.


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Shizuhara

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11-16-2012

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1) that's the definition of liberal feminism, which is rights-centered, and it is the most dominant form of feminism (as liberalism is the most dominant form of policy and politics). Additionally, that definition along with liberal feminism, is horrendously Western Anglo-centric. Liberal feminism is widely discredited for being inherently racist as well as not actually solving the problems of gender issues and exploitation.

2) even under that definition, "social rights" definitely apply to what is going on in this thread, insofar as the term "social rights" contain aspects of "cultural rights"

3) please do some reading on the history of feminism and the development of feminist philosophy rather than doing a lazy 5 second Google check and you will understand the academic richness contained in feminist studies
1.) It being the most dominant form, is it unreasonable to suggest that most people think of it when you say feminism? As such, by calling this thread feminism, you create a breakdown in communication. Not to mention, this particular community is predominantly western.

The fact that it is apparently severely flawed only makes matters worse. Now, not only do people mis-understand your intent, but they associate it with a flawed and discredited way of thought.

2.) We're talking about Riot's design standards when it comes to breasts, no? Is someone saying that Riot is violating their rights? In case it isn't clear, I bear no hostility. I don't presume to know everything that's gone on in these 50 pages, despite having read them.

3.) Sadly, I don't have time to take a full course on feminism and/or become well-read on the matter during this discussion. I'm willing to bet that many others are in the same boat. As such, it would be helpful to use layman's terms, and explain any non-common knowledge concepts. I'm not unwilling to learn, but I'm certain I can contribute to the conversation at hand with what I already know.


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tablo

Senior Member

11-16-2012

qq more

elise needs the chest cuz thats all she has goin for her cuz she sucks tbh...


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Nomsumer

Senior Member

11-16-2012

Wonderbra exists in League as it does irl.

I get sexism complaints but honestly the % of male gamers in this community vs female is drastically in favor of males. Would changing the figures of the females bring in more players? Sure maybe. So few however that it would not be a worthwhile financial motivation for a Business. You will get more in slender femality Soon.

Im not a sexist pig I'm just observing what I perceive to be the most likely driving forces in their decisions in trying to appeal to the largest majority in their customer base. I sympathize and am sure you will get more options over time. Just accept the fact that you are arguing up hill and tbh without perspective barring your own.


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Moby the White

Senior Member

11-17-2012

*goes away for 3 hours comes back to see this thread has 5 more pages and even more downvotes*
*reads said five pages to make sure no one misquoted him*
*is sad because no one quoted him at all XD*
*thinks dafaq why did i just spend my time reading 5 pages >.<*


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IronStylus

Sr. Concept Artist

11-17-2012
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50 pages.. no way I can read every one of these posts. To sum up though, despite what you may think, I am not the single point of failure in a scenario where a busty lady makes it through our pipeline. I'm here to be one of many voices that chimes in when appropriate. Can I flip a table or two? Absolutely, if I deem it unnecessary. I really wasn't too terribly concerned about Nami because, well, I think she's a cool design.

Did I notice the ruffles revealing some fish flesh? Yeah, I saw it months ago. Did I think it was particularly a good idea to poo-poo the design when it was on its way, when it was gathering momentum, and when it was being passionately worked on by the artist? Hell no. This will be this particular artist's first champion ever in the game. It's her show in that regard. I didn't find the cleavage to be a monumental red flag.

When I saw the concept I was like.. look at this stuff, isn't it neat? Wouldn't you think this concept's complete? Wouldn't you think she's the girl, the girl that has, everything? Look at those frills, how they unfold. How many wonders can one mermaid hold? Looking around here you think, sure, she's got everything. She's got flippers and scepters a plenty. She's got dashes and splashes galore. You want complementary curves? She's got twenty. But who cares, no big deal, she wants more.

She wants to be where the players are, she wants to see, wants to see them fighting, thinking inside of those, what do you call them? Oh, brains! Flipping to mid you don't get to far. Supports are required for healing, casting, strolling along on that.. what's that word again? Lane! Up where they toss, up where they stun, up where they lane all day in the sun, wandering free, wished she could be, part of that role.

What would she pay, if she could play, out of those waters? What sort of gift, would let her lift, up to the game? Betcha in the rift, they get the drift, that they appreciate their healers. Crowd controllers, supporting rollers, ready to sustain, and ready to help with Carry's job. Lock up the gankers and get some assists. What's a Baron, and how does it, what's the word? Buff! When's it enough? Wouldn't they love, love to play some support up above?

Out of the sea.

Wished she could be.

Part of that roll.



..tune in next time when I explain our champion creation process akin to how the mice put together Cinderella's dress.


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Bard

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11-17-2012

^ this


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Moby the White

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11-17-2012

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50 pages.. no way I can read every one of these posts. To sum up though, despite what you may think, I am not the single point of failure in a scenario where a busty lady makes it through our pipeline. I'm here to be one of many voices that chimes in when appropriate. Can I flip a table or two? Absolutely, if I deem it unnecessary. I really wasn't too terribly concerned about Nami because, well, I think she's a cool design.

Did I notice the ruffles revealing some fish flesh? Yeah, I saw it months ago. Did I think it was particularly a good idea to poo-poo the design when it was on its way, when it was gathering momentum, and when it was being passionately worked on by the artist? Hell no. This will be this particular artist's first champion ever in the game. It's her show in that regard. I didn't find the cleavage to be a monumental red flag.

When I saw the concept I was like.. look at this stuff, isn't it neat? Wouldn't you think this concept's complete? Wouldn't you think she's the girl, the girl that has, everything? Look at those frills, how they unfold. How many wonders can one mermaid hold? Looking around here you think, sure, she's got everything. She's got flippers and scepters a plenty. She's got dashes and splashes galore. You want complementary curves? She's got twenty. But who cares, no big deal, she wants more.

She wants to be where the players are, she wants to see, wants to see them fighting, thinking inside of those, what do you call them? Oh, brains! Flipping to mid you don't get to far. Supports are required for healing, casting, strolling along on that.. what's that word again? Lane! Up where they toss, up where they stun, up where they lane all day in the sun, wandering free, wished she could be, part of that role.

What would she pay, if she could play, out of those waters? What sort of gift, would let her lift, up to the game? Betcha in the rift, they get the drift, that they appreciate their healers. Crowd controllers, supporting rollers, ready to sustain, and ready to help with Carry's job. Lock up the gankers and get some assists. What's a Baron, and how does it, what's the word? Buff! When's it enough? Wouldn't they love, love to play some support up above?

Out of the sea.

Wished she could be.

Part of that roll.



..tune in next time when I explain our champion creation process akin to how the mice put together Cinderella's dress.
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