olaf and darius

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Peligrad

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11-14-2012

Your view is very biased Ryukyu. You play mostly ADC and stealth champs.

If you played more tanky dps, your opinion would likely be different.

Both champions are strong and competitive.

Olaf's ability to ignore CC in chase down a carry is definitely a game changer.

But Darius' ability to drop a first kill target in half the time is pretty nuts too.

I'd say both champions have their niche.


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Best Zod NA

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11-14-2012

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Olaf's ability to ignore CC in chase down a carry is definitely a game changer.

But Darius' ability to drop a first kill target in half the time is pretty nuts too.
Olaf can walk through your team and eat your carry and there's nothing you can do about it.

Darius can be locked down and hasn't got a prayer of catching the back line. He's only decent at peeling, and even then, not really.


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Minute 31

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11-14-2012

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Originally Posted by Ryukyu Wild View Post
ignore these low elo scrubs who posted before me.

Olaf is 10x more brutal than Darius
and should be nerfed before Darius is even thought of being nerfed
You know, I never understood people who use "You dislike Darius, you must be a scrub." logic.

He isn't better than Olaf, or even particularly amazing, but he's still annoying to fight and a devastating top lane after level 6 and it takes people time to learn how to fight him. Hell, I'm still trying to learn the match-up, though I only really started playing top lane about 2 weeks ago.


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Peligrad

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11-14-2012

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Olaf can walk through your team and eat your carry and there's nothing you can do about it.

Darius can be locked down and hasn't got a prayer of catching the back line. He's only decent at peeling, and even then, not really.
Darius can put 5 passive stacks and an ult on anything and it will likely die.

If you have a Darius on your team, you have the option of focusing a top or jungle who's built bruiser and you can drop him before he can be effective. Then move to the next closest and do the same thing.

Darius works really well with an AoE ap carry, especially one who can help him get close to enemy carries (Zyra for instance).

He brings a good amount of AoE to the table too and if anyone gets low from all the AoE he can seal the deal right on down the line.

Sure he can be focused and cc'd to death...but that's true for 99% of the champions...


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NeoIcecreaman

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11-14-2012

If you've let a darius hit you long enough to get a 5 stack of bleeds, and let his ult refresh off you; that's not his problem.

You forget some champions can do the same thing without true damage, miss fortune ulting a full team will do at least 40-75% of the teams health. Nunu ults your team? Everyone loses a massive amount of health. Karthus's ult may not be able to 1 shot, but it does a giant portion of everyone on the teams health turning around duels in the lanes by knocking someone in top lane down to darius's execution level.

There are over 100 champions, don't need to go all irelia on darius because if he hasn't been nerfed by now, he's fine.

TL;DR: jayce v.s darius world finals.


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Best Zod NA

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11-14-2012

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Darius can put 5 passive stacks and an ult on anything and it will likely die.
He has trouble getting five stacks, let alone five stacks on anything important.

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f you have a Darius on your team, you have the option of focusing a top or jungle who's built bruiser and you can drop him before he can be effective
Yes. He can peel, and he's not very good at it.

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He brings a good amount of AoE to the table too and if anyone gets low from all the AoE he can seal the deal right on down the line.
Garen brings more, with more tankiness and an execute that doesn't require setup.


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Peligrad

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11-14-2012

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He has trouble getting five stacks, let alone five stacks on anything important.
Then you aren't playing Darius correctly...and a huge true damage nuke hurt anyone...that's the beauty of it.

Decimate rank 5 has a 5 sec cd before CDR. So with a modest 20% CDR, that's sitting at a 4 second CD.

So you walk into decimate range for one stack. Auto attack for 2 immediately hit crippling strike to reset your swing timer for 3 auto attack a second time for 4 and decimate comes off cd right then for 5.

You did 5 stacks in 4 seconds...with minimal CDR and no bonus AS...

Not very hard at all. And that's without using pull to help...

In addition, you should have 2 stacks already on nearby targets from the decimates.

So now you go for the next closest guy, auto attack and immediately refresh the auto with crippling then auto attack again for 5...

Darius is easy to play, and easy to be effective with...just like Olaf...


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bunies

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11-14-2012

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Olaf also doesn't have the tendency to full to nothing people like Darius does...

And Olaf's ulti doesn't legitimately do 45% of someone's life total in one hit either...

actualy i have seen plenty of 0/5 olafs go to 9/5 afte a bit of teamfights from having notheing more then boots and warmongs


and if darius is 0/5 he is no freat. beause it means he has either tank and no damage, or damage and no tank, oaf has both which is the issue with him


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CerealBoxOfDoom

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11-14-2012

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if darius pulls you back to keep you from escaping and not to egage you did something wrong already

if he still has enough mana to fight someone else after unloading his full combo on you, you did something wrong already

Olaf does the same amount of true damge darius does in the 5 second period , in addion to that he does even more physical damage, he has sustain, and oh yea you can not cc him.
It doesn't matter.

People will always be more afraid of the bully than that bullied kid who cuts himself and has played shooting games all his life and goes hunting with his deadbeat dad. Cuz a bully is mean and he's quiet till he goes crazy


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bunies

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11-14-2012

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Then you aren't playing Darius correctly...and a huge true damage nuke hurt anyone...that's the beauty of it.

Decimate rank 5 has a 5 sec cd before CDR. So with a modest 20% CDR, that's sitting at a 4 second CD.

So you walk into decimate range for one stack. Auto attack for 2 immediately hit crippling strike to reset your swing timer for 3 auto attack a second time for 4 and decimate comes off cd right then for 5.

You did 5 stacks in 4 seconds...with minimal CDR and no bonus AS...

Not very hard at all. And that's without using pull to help...

In addition, you should have 2 stacks already on nearby targets from the decimates.

So now you go for the next closest guy, auto attack and immediately refresh the auto with crippling then auto attack again for 5...

Darius is easy to play, and easy to be effective with...just like Olaf...

your theory works on them not kiting, not using cc oh and leting you get next to them without using the pull ?

what elo does this work in exactly ?