@Morello: PLEASE make Mana and/or Manamune relevant in S3!!

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Ginga

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10-16-2012

Well do realize that a BFG is gotten because asides from the decent AD it provides, it also upgrades into some of the best items in the game....


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IplayforfunFU

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10-16-2012

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Well do realize that a BFG is gotten because asides from the decent AD it provides, it also upgrades into some of the best items in the game....
You do realize that BFG has the most gold efficient AD out there, therefore the manamune is the most AD efficient item out there by lvl 18, and it also solves mana issues early game completely, add a FH in a tanky bruiser Olaf and you will have around 80 AD for around 2100g, this if you think of manamune as a AD item, you also ignore the fact that most bruisers benefit more from mana early game than anything when it comes to damage output, things which are solved when you buy the meki pendant and blue crystal early on.

To me the manamune is the chalic version of unholy grail, early game it gives zero offensive stats but its a must if you want sustained damage, manamune is just a way to upgrade these items into offensive utility instead of simply selling them back.


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Ginga

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10-17-2012

A bit much to call it an AD's Chalice. For one, Chalice provides a decent survivability bonus with it's MR. To Galio that's also extra damage.

Not to mention, while Unholy Grail actually adds mana regen and AP, it also gives a fair amoutn of MR and CDR as well. More importantly a mage is far more ability reliant than an AD, even an AD Caster.


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Ginga

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10-18-2012

More importantly. Olaf would probably be much happier with two gp5 items anyways.


Now maybe that's a problem with gp5's as a whole, but Manamune isn't exactly super cheap, and it takes forever to build up


More importantly, you're completely forgetting the consequences of getting a Meki/Crystal early on. You won't have the boots+3 pots or cloth+5 pots that your much smarter enemy will have. Unless your enemy completely blows it, he's going to kill you even if you have plenty of mana to spare.


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IplayforfunFU

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10-18-2012

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A bit much to call it an AD's Chalice. For one, Chalice provides a decent survivability bonus with it's MR. To Galio that's also extra damage.

Not to mention, while Unholy Grail actually adds mana regen and AP, it also gives a fair amoutn of MR and CDR as well. More importantly a mage is far more ability reliant than an AD, even an AD Caster.
I wouldnt say they are necesarily more reliant, AD is AD, and there are tons of champs with AD modifiers besides spells, AS buffs, Ghostblade, crit chance.

And, no, it doesnt takes forever to build specially in TT where you are farming your brains out, and getting that early mana and mana/5 gives you a great boost early game.

The other day i had 63 AD by min 20 in TT, that's more effective, so its the most cost effective AD item in the game that also solves all your mana issues as a bruiser foverer at early game.

Doesnt sounds completely useless, it may however not fit into the current meta due to the fact that you may not be autoattacking much because of last hitting.


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IplayforfunFU

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10-18-2012

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More importantly. Olaf would probably be much happier with two gp5 items anyways.


Now maybe that's a problem with gp5's as a whole, but Manamune isn't exactly super cheap, and it takes forever to build up


More importantly, you're completely forgetting the consequences of getting a Meki/Crystal early on. You won't have the boots+3 pots or cloth+5 pots that your much smarter enemy will have. Unless your enemy completely blows it, he's going to kill you even if you have plenty of mana to spare.
Early on for me is after boots, boots first is pretty much standard for laning unless you are mid with a supersafe champion.


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Ginga

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And, no, it doesnt takes forever to build specially in TT where you are farming your brains out, and getting that early mana and mana/5 gives you a great boost early game.

The other day i had 63 AD by min 20 in TT, that's more effective, so its the most cost effective AD item in the game that also solves all your mana issues as a bruiser foverer at early game.

Doesnt sounds completely useless, it may however not fit into the current meta due to the fact that you may not be autoattacking much because of last hitting.

Something that takes so long to build would be especially bad for a game as quick as TT.


Remember, you just used all that gold on Manamune when you could have bought any other items with that much gold.


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Morello

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10-29-2012
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So far here is the 3 champions that actually cares about mana past the laning phase...

Ryze(insane scaling), Swain(mana guzzler), and Anivia(mana guzzler)

Here is a list of champions who actually has to pay attention to their mana late game, or atleast always have a blue buff on 100% of the time.

Swain, Anivia



Mana has become a joke now. In lane it's a relevant factor, yes. But past it it might as well not exist. And then there is Manamune. There is literally only 2 champions that really has reason to buy it, and on them it's really just optional anyways.

Blitzcrank because of his Passive and Yorick due to how spammy he is in lane. There are who know how many mana using AD champions in the game. Only 2 have a half-justified reason for getting it, and both are fully capable of surviving without it, sometimes even better off without it even!



So my question/request. Are you planning on making mana a relevant stat in S3? Relevant as in..............something that matters past the laning phase. This is one item in my wishlist! (oh, and a viable insect champion, one that isn't an AD Assassin...the most screwed over class in the game)
Manamune is one sword of the master.

Legend has it there's a sister sword - but more perfect in its creation. Only those that bring the original work to its apex can ever wield it.

*Evil cackle*


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SabbathViper

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10-29-2012

Wewt.

EDIT: Under dat Morello.


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peanutman

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10-29-2012

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Manamune is one sword of the master.

Legend has it there's a sister sword - but more perfect in its creation. Only those that bring the original work to its apex can ever wield it.

*Evil cackle*
I don't even...