I'm an agnostic atheist; ask me anything!

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Horse Sized Duck

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10-27-2012

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Yes, that is the very issue at hand. But you haven't explained why. You just keep restating yourself.

There are two (essentially equivalent) claims you're throwing out there:
(1) Absence of evidence is sufficient to obligate someone to withhold belief.
(2) Good consequences (namely happiness) are not a reason for belief.

But why are either of these true?

Lots of our activity is with the express purpose of becoming happy. Why should our rational activity be strictly excluded?
The universe owes us no reason to be happy. Being happy is just a by-product humans have created. The only reason to believe in something is because of evidence. This is the only reason that makes any sense.


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Kodoku

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10-27-2012

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The only reason to believe in something is because of evidence
Again, you're just restating yourself. I am asking why this is.

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This is the only reason that makes any sense.
Oh? Doing something to be happy makes perfect sense to me.


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Horse Sized Duck

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10-27-2012

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Again, you're just restating yourself. I am asking why this is.



Oh? Doing something to be happy makes perfect sense to me.

Done with you.


#dumbniqqas.


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Sereg Anfaug

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10-27-2012

So much for the light-hearted discussion that was going on when I last checked this thread.

Alright then... Cthulhu fhtagn!


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Kodoku

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10-27-2012

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Done with you.


#dumbniqqas.
That is unfortunate. You speak dogmatically about the necessity of evidence and yet are unable to produce a shred of evidence for your claim that evidence is the only legitimate reason to believe something, thereby showing the inconsistency of your own beliefs.


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Horse Sized Duck

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10-27-2012

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That is unfortunate. You speak dogmatically about the necessity of evidence and yet are unable to produce a shred of evidence for your claim that evidence is the only legitimate reason to believe something, thereby showing the inconsistency of your own beliefs.
Once you accept a lie, the truth is forever your enemy.

#dumbniqqas


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Kodoku

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10-27-2012

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Once you accept a lie, the truth is forever your enemy.

#dumbniqqas
So when confronted with your own inconsistency, you resort to cliches and vulgarity. Lovely.

Oh and just for the record, I'm a gnostic atheist. I was just wondering if you actually had any intellectual honesty in you. It appears not. Have a nice life.


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Sereg Anfaug

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10-27-2012

Gnostic? Meaning... you do believe there's evidence of god? Or... what?


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Horse Sized Duck

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So when confronted with your own inconsistency, you resort to cliches. Lovely.

Oh and just for the record, I'm a gnostic atheist. I was just wondering if you actually had any intellectual honesty in you. It appears not. Have a nice life.
Cliche?


When you accept one thing without evidence, you're more likely to accept more withouth evidence.
Believing things without a good reason can be bad for yourself (losing money on scams, 'snakeoil', etc), for people close to you (parents killing their kids by relying on faith healers) or other people in your country (Mormons voting for proposition 8 in California).

A convenient lie is no substitute for the truth. It would be nice to believe we live forever, or fairies exist at the bottom of the garden, or praying can fix all my lifes ills, but these are not true. At some stage we need to grow up, take accountability for our lives and accept reality, not believe the convenient lie.


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Sereg Anfaug

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Refresh my memory on proposition 8? Heard of it but don't recall the details.


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