Updates to the Tribunal

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Daisypusher

Junior Member

10-25-2012

Less lenient?

Riot should focus telling their players how to press the "ignore" button, and real the logarithms that do need to be checked are the damage ratios on Rengar. Half of my raging in this game comes from broken champs that Riot fails to fix.


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Akesgeroth

Senior Member

10-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Kaito14 View Post
Haha. That game was yesterday, so if they have the time to ban me over a game yesterday and not show previous ones, then it's for one game. Besides that, I just started 2 days ago.
You started just 2 days ago and you're banned already. I think it's time for you to sit down and reconsider how you interact with other people.

Also, it wasn't for one game.


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Zymeth015

Junior Member

10-25-2012

why did they remove the rewards given on the tribunal?
I used to earn around 500 ip everytime they mail me.


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MuhGeeSher

Senior Member

10-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Kaito14 View Post
So what are you supposed to do if some moron starts insulting you first? Sit there and let them? Seems dumb that you can't insult a troll without getting banned.

Another thing is when a group of trolls start insulting you and they have 3 votes to your 1 vote, seems a bit ignorant to actually count those as valid, just because you were in a game solo queue.
Just ignore them? What's so hard about that honestly? It's the interenet. You're going to see trolls everywhere? Heck, if I retaliated to every troll I've seen. I'd probably be ban in a week, even less.


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Metaphaust

Junior Member

10-25-2012

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Originally Posted by RiotNinjaTabby View Post
We are currently not awarding IP.
I support this decision. Rewarding IP is something that would attract the little monkeys who speed through reports or develop bots to auto-punish. Accuracy would be awful.

If there was no reward, or a reward of not that much use, the people who truly or at least care more about actually helping people and the community were left behind.

That isn't to say they are all little monkeys of course. I would like reward for doing something like that too, but it shouldn't be the focus like it would be for some.


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Akesgeroth

Senior Member

10-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Kaito14 View Post
I only played 2 games, and I'm banned. Not for one game huh?
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/26637855

Stop lying to me.


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DarkePacific

Senior Member

10-25-2012

"Innocent players were very rarely banned, while toxic players more often went unpunished. Because of this, we’ve adjusted the Tribunal algorithms to be less lenient."

So now more innocent players will be banned?


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Zymeth015

Junior Member

10-25-2012

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Originally Posted by Metaphaust View Post
I support this decision. Rewarding IP is something that would attract the little monkeys who speed through reports or develop bots to auto-punish. Accuracy would be awful.

If there was no reward, or a reward of not that much use, the people who truly or at least care more about actually helping people and the community were left behind.

That isn't to say they are all little monkeys of course. I would like reward for doing something like that too, but it shouldn't be the focus like it would be for some.
thanks for the response.

i'm still doing it even if im not rewarded anyway. coz i don't want to play with some people with overly negative traits.

i guess i had 7k total ip rewarded. it's enough for me to go lol


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Dazrix

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10-25-2012

I read 6 pages of rubbish... 'Don't be a dick' is basically what people vote punish for.. yet I've probably been suspended like 6 times... I'm not proud of this fact but, it's because my morality won't budge. Neither will my pride.

Having said that - the pride I speak of isn't about being suspended. It's about being insulted as a player or not acknowledged for atleast trying in a game. If someone says to me 'you're bad' straight away, my game experience has been lessened, and I'm now annoyed... if they continue to say that or 'this alistar' etc.. etc... Doesn't matter, if they start this kind of conversation as the first thing they say - I have zero care for someone that punishes me... because more then likely, you high roading summoners who like the tribunal, are the ones who actually provoke players like myself who are genuinely trying, and actually are trying to refrain from belittling someone, into a rage where we deliberately feed/afk..

Straight up - are you telling me you've never said 'this XXXX' or 'omg, stop feeding XXXX' or even 'gg, bot lane fed' etc etc... These are ALL comments that are going to provoke the defencive state of the player. Where they are going to be to proud to just sit by and let you belittle and insult them for their poor performance. It's one thing to ignore them, then it is to put them on the defencive where straight away they're having a negative gaming experience. I believe, three quarters of the tribunal, including the people who punish (riot employees here) don't register this as an offence. But where do you draw the line of when it's provoked, or just pure toxic?


As far as I'm concerned, and I know in my military's law - if you provoke a fight, and you get beat down - it's a justified defence when the attacker proves he was provoked. Therefore, I would ask the Tribunal and people such as Lyte to consider provocation. I'm not saying I'm innocent of provocation. But i would prefer to know that my suspensions were due to me provoking another player, rather then me being provoked and pissed about it, so I chose to ruin the other players game experience, WHO HAD ORIGINALLY RUINED MINE.

It's seriously such a high road to sit here and talk about the harsher strictness etc etc... But in reality, people still don't see provocation as a problem 'just ignore them' then just ignore the rager thats telling you to gfys! Theres a language filter that you have to turn OFF in order to see bad language. Bad language should not be bannable. And I know people openly admit to punishing people for using the f word.. Or for using other less profound words.

Provocation is the root of all sin, both in the tribunal and it's '97% accuracy' and the player base. Ban the provokers, and you'll see the toxicity massively plummet, as people won't be willing to provoke a player into raging his heart out. Also - As one of these ragers - it's also bannable to refuse to communicate. YES IT IS. But it shouldn't be.. You're really leaving the ragers NO alternative...

On a side note, the tribunals accuracy is determined by the judgement Riot gave, with the judgement of the majority of players.. The coinciding numbers of the majority + Riot's judgement = the % accuracy.

But what I'm reading here, is that when a case is something someone wouldn't punish for, instead of a pardon, they skip... They skip, meaning they abstain from the vote, therefore, only punish voters are going through. Which would obviously show - that alot of players here, would probably be found borderline, but not straight up toxic.. An example (from what I've also read on this thread) is that players that are often borderline, are infact provoked players (something I've discussed here already) who are getting punished anyway, because of the abstain votes.

Another thing, and my smurf admittedly got suspended for this - was I was reported for post game lobby chat in one of my matches. Single report. Suspended.... Tribunal can't see post game lobby chat... I do not spam lobby, as I hate spam. I understand why the account got suspended (it got suspended for a mass punish on the leaver game that was in the second game, again, single report)

First thing - Add post and pre game chats. They're important.

Second - Leaver games should not be a tribunal case - the afk buster works well enough as it is. I know since my main was mostly subject to leaver buster. This in the civilian and military world, is referred to as 'double tapping'. Basically you're dishing out two seperate punishments for the same one off offence. Why? This is illegal in any sense of a justice system. If you murder 3 people - thats three different offences, even if you did it all at the same time, thus you get 3 charges/sentences. But if you murdered a single person, you're only going to get one charge/sentence. You're not then going to appear in court at a later date for the same murder, after accepting the punishment the first time, only for a second punishment. This is stupid and unfair.

REMOVE DOUBLE TAPPING.


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xAkronx

Junior Member

10-25-2012

Its soooo unfair my best friend just had a permaban, and nobody give him a warning or something if someone had told him, Mr summoner this is your final oportunity, he spend a loooot of money in his account. I saw the tribunal decision and the purpose of the ban is soooo unfair. It is a shame how american people make fun of latin americans and they collide to report us

plz plz plz plz Riot give him a last chance, at least re open the case its obvious that you have kids in charge of bans and they do an awful job

My friend id is "VagrantWolf"