Breaking the meta

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King Kappa

Senior Member

09-09-2012

I don't like this meta, let's change it to something less boring where caster minions aren't a higher priority than champions.

So the meta breaks down like this

Top: Tanky bruiser, occasionally melee AD or tanky AP
Mid: AP of some sort
Jungle: Tanky bruiser
Bot: AD carry + Support

So the question becomes, what counters the meta in each lane while still retaining team fight capabilities after lane is over?

Obviously it's necessary to have a very strong bot or mid lane to contest dragon so there should be two bot lane or mid lane, preferably bot since there's more room to work with than mid.

What counters most bruisers? Range that won't die instantly or has some kind of escape. Hence Korea's Ezreal top. Trist, Kennen, Vlad, Zilean and a few others come to mind here.

What counters most mids? Bruisers and assasins. Shen, Talon, Akali, Xin and so on come to mind.

We'll leave the jungle alone since that's really something that works

What counters AD+Support? We know AP champions beat ADs in lane, so we could work with an AP and either a support or a bruiser of some sort.

Thoughts? Improvements? More counters to this boring meta?


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Etherimp

Senior Member

09-09-2012

Why do people insist on trying to break something that works?

Furthermore, AP doesn't necessarily counter AD in lane.


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Ouroborous HD

Senior Member

09-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Etherimp View Post
Why do people insist on trying to break something that works?

Furthermore, AP doesn't necessarily counter AD in lane.
especially when talon is part of the equation


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King Kappa

Senior Member

09-09-2012

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Originally Posted by darkzero1 View Post
especially when talon is part of the equation
Talon doesn't count, you just counterpick Galio or Xerath or someone like that then beat him in late game.


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TeknoWizard

Recruiter

09-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Sīmba View Post
Talon doesn't count, you just counterpick Galio or Xerath or someone like that then beat him in late game.
Galio, for the most part, builds MR. Have fun building MR against a champion that deals almost exclusively physical damage. And a Xerath wouldn't do much more late than a Talon.

And I read this somewhere once. "The meta is not a rule. It is a bunch of guidelines. They can be bent and broken as the situation calls for." We shouldn't be trying to go on big "Let's completely change meta to make new play styles!" We should just be making little tweaks. I mean, Urgot was a perfect example. He was just a ranged bruiser that was sent bot lane. He's not an AD carry, but they put him there because it countered what was there. It wasn't super ground breaking or anything, but it changed meta a bit. That's what the changes should be, not sending AP support top, Bruiser mid, and a tank bot, with an ADC jungle.


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Etherimp

Senior Member

09-09-2012

Exactly.. Why try to change something that works for the sake of changing it? If something works better it will naturally occur and become the "new" Meta, and then people like you will insist that the new Meta needs to change and/or you will pine over the "good ol' days of the old meta."


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JRotund

Senior Member

09-10-2012

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Why do people insist on trying to break something that works?
because doing the same thing over and over gets less and less fun?


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romanroad

Junior Member

09-10-2012

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because doing the same thing over and over gets less and less fun?
Plenty of characters and different roles for you to try to change that :P


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Chestpubes

Senior Member

09-10-2012

I'm all for changing the META, maybe not breaking it. The only problem is in public games there's no way everyone will agree. Some ideas for changes are:

ADC/Support top: make these two that can push hard, push down tower fast, then switch to bot
Anyone who can take out creeps when pushed fast: Morde would do great here. If ADC/support is on bot for the other team they will be pushing hard. You'd need someone to counter that fast
Jungler
Mid AP

Also, another idea which dates the old META is:

ADC mid: Ashe use to be a staple for this
AP top with sustain: Morg would work well
Kill lane bot bruiser/ap support: For example, renekton/panth + lux/leona
Jungler

There's a few ideas that in theory...would work on the matchups.


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Ouroborous HD

Senior Member

09-10-2012

ever try 1/3/1 lanes. it is absolutely hilarious watching them rage at you for reasons they cant even articulate and are most likely invalid to begin with.


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