Quick Question?

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Mr Tibbers

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11-06-2009

For all you math crafters out there, I have a quick question. What is the most efficient item build for raising AP as high as possible as quickly as possible?


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Shizz

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11-06-2009

Without regards to anything else?

I would imagine a Soulstealer, 4x ArchAngel's staff, Zhonya's Ring, but you won't have any boots. :X


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Mr Tibbers

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11-06-2009

Well, in regards to gold too. That's so expensive it isn't funny. o.o


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neojb1990

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11-06-2009

There was a bug with Mejrai's Soulstealer where if you got one, got the extra 70 ap buff, and then sold it, you'd still have the extra 70 AP. If that hasn't been fixed, I would imagine you would first want to do mejrai's, than get the buff, than sell your mejrais for an Archangel's staff than work on getting as many zhonya's rings as possible.

That only works though if you are extremely good and can kill others easily enough that you have the money.
A build I use for almost any caster *and it works well* is

Mana crystal as first time
Then work on getting tears of godess *using that mana crystal*
Than work on upgrading that to a Archangles
Boots are optional in this case since you just want straight AP
After archangles, get soulstealer
then get zhonyas
if the bug still works, i would suggest selling the soulstealer after you get the full buff and getting another zhonyas.
Usually games end before I can get furthre with my build so after that I wouldn't know. Maybe more zhonyas.

this may not be the most AP effecient but it is a very reasonable way to get alot of AP.


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DarkenDragon

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11-06-2009

if your trying to make a build for pure ap and trying to get the most ap possible, I'd highly suggest you stop right there. cuz getting pure ap is a bad stratagy in almost every game regardless of what hero you have. there is no hero out here who can survive with just pure AP

you need a balance between damage/health/regentive abilities so you can get pure ap to be a super glass cannon, but one power shot and your dead


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neojb1990

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11-06-2009

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Originally Posted by DarkenDragon View Post
if your trying to make a build for pure ap and trying to get the most ap possible, I'd highly suggest you stop right there. cuz getting pure ap is a bad stratagy in almost every game regardless of what hero you have. there is no hero out here who can survive with just pure AP

you need a balance between damage/health/regentive abilities so you can get pure ap to be a super glass cannon, but one power shot and your dead
He isn't asking for an opinion of what is good or bad though, he is asking for a straight, mathmatical, solution.


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Mr Tibbers

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11-06-2009

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Originally Posted by neojb1990 View Post
He isn't asking for an opinion of what is good or bad though, he is asking for a straight, mathmatical, solution.
He's right. If I didn't know I needed a balance by now, months after starting this game, man...I'd be pure ****. All I want to know is a which items are mathematically the best AP items to get for your money. In other words, the best way to stack AP per gold.


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Redskizzers

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11-06-2009

Wrong, arch angels wouldn't give you the AP that you would get with other items, even with 2% more ap based on mana.

I would get a potion right away if you're looking for AP really quickly, and I'd try to keep it up I guess as it's free AP. Soulstealer right off the bat, then a rod of ages. I would then go for a Zonya ring and then after an abyssal scepter. (The -MR might not count as straight up AP, but your spells will be hitting harder so it's kind of like AP. Plus it gives you a lot of ap) then make a lich bane. I guess the last item you'd want is an arch angels. But early game you're wasting money by getting it if you dont have a huge mana pool (only a waste if you want quick and easy AP, amazing early game item for normal play tho)

I assume that you want to stack AP to do extra damage really fast. Lich bane will have you melee hard as well as giving you high ap and move speed.


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11-06-2009

you can't do both high as possible and quickly as possible.

for high as possible, it's 5x arch angel + zhonya's ring.

for quickly as possible, it's mejaj's soulstealer + 5x kage's picks.


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Tarion

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11-06-2009

IF you're looking for straight out AP rush, your best bet would probably be something like
Mejai's (1845)
Blasting Wand (860)
Blasting Wand (860)
Zhonya's (1975)


That costs 5540 and gives you 300 AP. That's the cheapest AP to cost ratio I can think of, and gets you an early Zhonya's (+25% to all future items. Massively useful).

I can't think of any way to match it if we're looking at pure AP. RoA is nice, but mainly for its other stats - For AP you're getting the equivalent of 2 Blasting Wands and its costing more.

The next step for improving that above build is pretty easy.
Mejai's (1845)
Zhonya's (3695)
Blasting Wand (860)
Blasting Wand (860)
Blasting Wand (860)
450 AP for 8120
That sets you up for your Rylai's, RoA and Abyssal in the way that returns the most AP. You'd also throw in a Sorc Boots in there.

Bait - I assume he's looking for the best balance - Quick and efficient. My method above does that. Yes, you can get more, but only for a significantly higher gold investment.

Mine costs 5540 for 300 AP. That's ~18 gold per point of AP. Archangel's costs 2890, and returns AP based upon your characters mana, which makes it difficult. If we assume Kassadin (Because he has about 1k mana at 18, so its easy) that means your 5 Archangel's and Zhonya's will put you to about 4100 Mana (83 AP from that passive). Overall, about 925AP. So, yeah, it provides 3 times the AP of my initial build (And twice of my bigger one), but costs 18k gold. Its slightly less efficient than just going Mejai's, Zhonya's (19gold per AP, as opposed to 18)


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