Women Want Equal Rights?

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Sailor Cosmos

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04-09-2012

Women don't win custody battles just because of their gender, but because of legitimate reasons. Typically, the person who has taken care of the children in the household as the main caretaker gets custody, because that's who the children are accustomed to.

I encourage you to read and research before you make inaccurate assumptions:

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Women have just as much worry getting into a relationship as men do emotionally, physically, and legally.

Just like if you were to do your research on the wage gap between men and women and stop assuming the most obvious answer without research {men are paid more than women}, you will find that the default assumption isn't correct and there is more to it than that.

The default assumption in this case is that courts rule by biased ideology that fathers are incompetent, awarding the mother custody.

First, get this idea out of your head that all women are perfect, nurturing, loving, caring, etc. It's not true. Just like men, we like to be selfish from time to time, and we have bad sides too. We get angry, vengeful, violent, abusive, crazy, etc.

Got that? Good. Now when you enter a relationship, you should exercise "skepticism." That means you acknowledge that there is a possibility that she could cheat on you, abuse you, take you for everything you're worth. Evil is not an exclusive word for men.

I've talked to men who had terrible past relationships and I decoded their reactions as if they were surprised a woman could do such a thing to them. Then they later subtly blame the entire gender for deceiving them. No, certain women deceive, and if you stop feeding into mainstream media and use common sense, you will see that women are humans and we have human emotions and actions just... like... you.

Onto injustices. Injustices in the court system happen to both men and women and both men and women are guilty of committing/allowing injustices.

Yes, the courts are biased when it comes to custody settlements, but there are legitimate reasons behind this.

I suggest you read these articles and watch the video, as they are my sources for the rest of my rant (they shouldn't take more than 2-3 minutes each):
http://www.askmen.com/dating/single_...e_fathers.html
http://www.attorneys.com/legal_cente...stody_battles/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBnMM...eature=related

Women do research on how to win a custody case. They do everything they possibly can to be THE parent that is the BEST possible choice.

In a hypothetical example: Let's say both parents are equally equipped to be exceptional parents. They both make adequate amounts of money, both show good parenting skills, both seem to be loving, etc. Who would you decide to win custody? If the choice was that difficult, I think the default parent would be the mother, just because of stereotypical characteristics, which do have some truth. The women give birth, breastfeed (both of which do in fact have an impact on a child's connection and closeness to their mother because of the release of certain hormones or some sh*t, which can be further researched on your own), raise the children for a little while after they are born, and women are socially accepted to openly express and show emotions of love, nurture, and care. Women are also known to be good with behavior and words. These are indeed biased reasons simply because men cannot achieve most of those reasons, but in situations such as this, are they not good reasons?

Also, many women filing for custody may already be stay-at-home mothers. That could be another reason why judges would grant the woman custody.

Conclusion: I don't think a man and a woman walk into a courtroom and the woman just automatically wins custody. Maybe the real reason is that most women are just more qualified for the job and have proven that they are. Whether they are lying or telling the truth, they did something to prove to the judge that they were the better option to take care of the children. Of course, with the angry men I come across, they never allow this to be a possibility. They let their anger they have for their ex blind them and automatically assume it's biased sexism rather than the woman is just a better choice in more aspects.

You may be a **** good father, but she just might be better...

HOWEVER, there are women who win cases who are completely undeserving of custody. Sadly, that happens, but sadly, the reverse happens as well.

Injustice example of a pedophilic man winning custody of his daughter over the mother:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsH-z...eature=related

Yes, it sucks that your wife may have just one more qualification to raise your child than you do, but you can lower your chances of such an outcome by not marrying, not having children, choosing your wife carefully, or put the BS behind you and try to make things work with your wife to acquire joint custody. Or if she's a b*tch, prove to the judge you're the better candidate and hope for the best. The same can be applied to women as well, because bad men win sometimes too.

Congratulations if you read all of this!


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BerrySmoothie

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04-09-2012

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Originally Posted by BDSandM View Post
Women don't win custody battles just because of their gender, but because of legitimate reasons. Typically, the person who has taken care of the children in the household as the main caretaker gets custody, because that's who the children are accustomed to.

I encourage you to read and research before you make inaccurate assumptions:
It's not an inaccurate assumption. I HAVE done my research and the laws where I live are far in favor of the women getting custody. They won't win just because of their gender, but it gives them a huge advantage in getting custody, it's not like it's 100% of the time or anything though. Cases go both ways of course anyways, there'll always be good and bad calls.


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ShardInspector

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04-09-2012

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Lmao, your first point was so serious and worked with what I was saying earlier, then I couldn't tell if you were trolling on the 2nd part. I'll have to look that up.



This should probably be more specific.
I did specify.....Kurt Vonnegut. Although just about any book dealing with equality, dealing with women in the 70's - 80's or feminist literature (no matter how extreme or even the ones violently opposed to women's rights. They tend to properly describe what females, or any minority group, want. And what those wants mean for other members of society.)

Or even you could read a history book closest to your reading level. Honestly, they cover this stuff. Its been around for a while, this forum isn't the first place, or the last place, to recognize or discuss gross attacks on people of minority groups. This is the internet.


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BerrySmoothie

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I did specify.....Kurt Vonnegut. Although just about any book dealing with equality, dealing with women in the 70's - 80's or feminist literature (no matter how extreme or even the ones violently opposed to women's rights. They tend to properly describe what females, or any minority group, want. And what those wants mean for other members of society.)

Or even you could read a history book closest to your reading level. Honestly, they cover this stuff. Its been around for a while, this forum isn't the first place, or the last place, to recognize or discuss gross attacks on people of minority groups. This is the internet.
I was joking because of the last lane of your statement after all that type abuse on the OP lol.


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ShardInspector

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04-09-2012

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I was joking because of the last lane of your statement after all that type abuse on the OP lol.
Wasn't a very good joke.


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BerrySmoothie

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Wasn't a very good joke.
I was agreeing with your post against the OP, you tell me not to. What. Did you just confuse me for someone else?


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UnicornViolet

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04-09-2012

Although I don't really like the idea of women being drafted, that's something that blows my mind. Feminists never argue that women should be a part of the selective service (draft), which makes me believe that most feminists are for special rights, not equal rights.


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Thessalonike

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04-09-2012

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The problem with women in the front lines has two big things from what I've heard.

1. Men take a larger moral hit when a woman dies than when a fellow man dies, it's a biological thing. Neither is good, but at least supposedly a man seeing a woman die has a worse effect.
It is so much deeper than you lay out in number 1.

It also has to do with relationships that are formed... emotional attachments and how they affect your duty.... it does not take death to break your bearing.


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ShardInspector

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04-09-2012

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Originally Posted by BerrySmoothie View Post
I was agreeing with your post against the OP, you tell me not to. What. Did you just confuse me for someone else?
What? It wasn't a very good joke. Just because we are on the same side of an argument doesn't mean we are the same person / have the same sense of humor. It wasn't funny to me. Whoops too bad? Welcome to the internet? I didn't tell you not to agree, I said your joke wasn't funny. These ideas are not equivalent.


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Sailor Cosmos

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04-09-2012

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It's not an inaccurate assumption. I HAVE done my research and the laws where I live are far in favor of the women getting custody. They won't win just because of their gender, but it gives them a huge advantage in getting custody, it's not like it's 100% of the time or anything though. Cases go both ways of course anyways, there'll always be good and bad calls.
And I explained why women win most custody cases in that quote...you should read it.

Women win custody cases because of the mothering benefits women are given that men are not. Which includes giving birth, breastfeeding (both of which have a psychological impact on a child's growth and connection to a mother), and motherly stereotypes that hold some truth.

Biology says mothers are the caretakers of children and fathers are protection. This hasn't completely vanished from human nature. Just like men still exhibit historical behavior of being polygamous, even though society preaches monogamy.

It's in a woman's biology (which includes behaviors and mothering qualities that I mentioned) to be a nurturing mother and in a man's biology to be a provider and protection. So naturally, unless the mother proves to be unworthy of caring for her children, it's very likely she will win because she has qualities men typically do not, by default.

Our society is changing, however, and it's more common for men to have acceptable feminine traits and be considered just as good as a caretaker as women and the stats show this. More men are winning custody today than there have ever been before.