Shaco Getting right at the core of the problem.

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YYZed

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07-21-2010

Lets take a quick look at Decieve

Deceive - Shaco stealths himself instantly and teleports to target location. His next attack is guaranteed to critically strike.
Shaco instantly stealths for 4 seconds, and teleports to target nearby location. If he attacks while stealthed, the attack is guaranteed to crit for 40/60/80/100/120% bonus damage.
Cost 90/80/70/60/50 Mana
8 Second Cooldown After stealth ends.

Ok, This ability is so gambreaking one could ask a question like, shouldn't this be an ult like Kassadins? (an ability that is an ult because it would be too strong for the laning phase)
Lets look at its utility, its a blink, a temporary stealth (but its the shortest cd stealth ability too), and a steroid on his next attack. Now, unlike other blinks which do the damage straight up he is forced to play offensive to properly take advantage of the abilities damage. That is the only draw back to it, that it cant damage a target if used for escaping.
But the ability itself could be called the best escape ability in the game, probably even better than TF's ult for two reasons, the cd is so short, and their is no 1.5 second channel time. So, Shacos Decieve is better than any ult is to escape.

The spell combines three abilities into one, a blink, a stealth, and an on next hit bonus. Frankly the spell just has too much utility for a non ultimate spell. So right here and now I'm going to say this, that shaco has two ultimate worthy skills, both his hallucinate and his decieve. Now I realise many people would like to disagree about the statement that decieve is as good as an ult, frankly the damage it adds isnt, but its utility is.

Anyone else care to comment on this thought?


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cLoudsoft

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07-21-2010

Kassadin's ult would like to disagree. There's just nothing better for escaping than a 2.4s cd blink thats got a fairly large range.


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Beoftw

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07-21-2010

pple have allready stated this before but riot doesnt give a ****. they dont care about balancing out this game, they are more preoccupied with advertising gimmicks than taking actual steps to fixing their games.


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MadaMonk

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07-21-2010

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Originally Posted by FinalShade View Post
Kassadin's ult would like to disagree. There's just nothing better for escaping than a 2.4s cd blink thats got a fairly large range.
Only at 40% reduction.


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cLoudsoft

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07-21-2010

Which any Kassadin should be getting.


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RaspyTurnover

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07-21-2010

People seem to have forgotten how it was before it was nerfed so much.

Range 3x longer,the CD started in stealth so it basically was not there,actually worked with crit damage.

Is it a great skill?Yes.Is it OP?No.

The thing is you can tell how good a Shaco is by how he uses it.Most Shaco's do not use it well and just decieve away in predictable manners,instead of being creative in its use.

Its fine as is.You would not complain if you knew how it used to be.Also thats the whole thing that really makes Shaco who he is.A slippery assasin.

Just like a good Kassadin you should not catch one alive.

Most Shaco's are NOT good though.


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Uccisore

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07-21-2010

You know what Shaco, Heimerdinger, Soraka, and Warwick all have in common?

They were all considered UPed trash when I started playing this game in May.

You know what else they have in common?

None of them have been buffed since then.


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wulfy99

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07-21-2010

There is no cake!


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NeonSpotlight

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Originally Posted by Uccisore View Post
Warwick
lol'd

Soraka is more prevalent (and OP) because kiting/healing teams emerged, heimer for kind of the same reason and nobody ever called shaco UP in may.


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Beoftw

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07-21-2010

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Originally Posted by Toidiedud View Post
People seem to have forgotten how it was before it was nerfed so much.

Range 3x longer,the CD started in stealth so it basically was not there,actually worked with crit damage.

Is it a great skill?Yes.Is it OP?No.

The thing is you can tell how good a Shaco is by how he uses it.Most Shaco's do not use it well and just decieve away in predictable manners,instead of being creative in its use.

Its fine as is.You would not complain if you knew how it used to be.Also thats the whole thing that really makes Shaco who he is.A slippery assasin.

Just like a good Kassadin you should not catch one alive.

Most Shaco's are NOT good though.
"you would not complain if you knew how it used to be." just because it used to be worse, doesnt mean its **balanced** now. if your trying to tell me that a character than can dodge death just as easily as evelyn, and also have some of the best ganking and back dooring skills in the game is not over powered compared to other champions, then you need get over yourself and start playing a normal character before riot does realize how stupidly op shaco is and does something about it.