The sheer uselessness of Oracle's Extract (Dominion) is astounding.

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Eyeburn

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01-31-2012

This map truly has no practical defensive counter to stealth. Of the two consumable items in the game used to counter stealth (as well as the only items in the game that defensively counter stealth), one is unavailable on Dominion (Vision Ward). This removes the most reliable anti-stealth option in the game from Dominion mode.

What's more is that the Dominion version of Oracle's Elixir, Oracle's Extract, is a nerfed version of Oracle's Elixir. Oracle's Extract has a set duration of 5mins, but is also cleared if the user champion dies. Why does this item have a set duration if killing the user champion wipes the effect? Furthermore, why on a map where dying and killing is obscenely commonplace, and in general just part of the game mode, is there a consumable buff that gets wiped by killing the champion? That's extremely, EXTREMELY poorly thought out. There's no incentive to strive to survive when you have an Oracle's Extract because the effect is going to fall off in 5mins; however, if you make it your best effort to be "the Oracle's guy", you'll likely die while hunting down their stealthers on a map as fast paced as Dominion. This item is impractical in it's own game mode.

If you're going to give it a set duration, do not make the effect wipe upon death.

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Originally Posted by Rumuwi View Post
Hextech sweeper? Lightbringer?
Those are offensive counters. You first have to locate the stealthed champ before these become effective (in the case of the Hextech Sweeper, you very much have to drop the mist right on top of a stealthed champ for this item to work as intended).

However, these items existing has nothing to do with how impractical Oracle's Extract is on Dominion. Those items being good doesn't make Oracle's Extract less bad.


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imidorifeed

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01-31-2012

I dont think eve needs another nerf


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Astronautical

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01-31-2012

Bump but this should prob be in the dominion forum.


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Eyeburn

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01-31-2012

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Originally Posted by imidorifeed View Post
I dont think eve needs another nerf
But Shaco, Talon, Twitch and Akali all destroy Dominion because there's no significant method to counter their stealth.


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Swiftcarp

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01-31-2012

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Originally Posted by Eyeburn View Post
But Shaco, Talon, Twitch and Akali all destroy Dominion because there's no significant method to counter their stealth.
Lightbringer and Hextech sweeper were made for a reason.

Put up with it and build a bit of defense, or buy those items.


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Rumuwi

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01-31-2012

Hextech sweeper? Lightbringer?


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Charles Barkley

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01-31-2012

Lightbringer counters stealth so hard.


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Eyeburn

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01-31-2012

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Originally Posted by DXCharger View Post
Lightbringer counters stealth so hard.
Offensively. I'm talking about defensive measures.


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Eyeburn

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01-31-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rumuwi View Post
Hextech sweeper? Lightbringer?
Those are offensive counters. You first have to locate the stealthed champ before these become effective (in the case of the Hextech Sweeper, you very much have to drop the mist right on top of a stealthed champ for this item to work as intended).

However, these items existing has nothing to do with how impractical Oracle's Extract is on Dominion. Those items being good doesn't make Oracle's Extract less bad.


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Eyeburn

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01-31-2012

bump, I know at least a few people care about Dominion